Talk:Mizkif

Requested edit August 14

In the cite web template for refname "Miz daily esports interview" (currently ref #3), change url-status=live to url-status=dead and add "|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20210111224941/https://www.dailyesports.gg/the-drive-to-be-a-top-streamer-an-interview-with-matt-mizkif-rinaudo/ |archive-date=January 11, 2021" somewhere in the template. Firefangledfeathers (talk) 19:14, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

 Done. Woodroar (talk) 20:05, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

New York Times article updated to reflect alias is not known to be real name

The New York Times has updated their article currently used to substantiate his name being Mathew Rinaudo, reference #3, to more accurately describe it. Original wording was "Mizkif, who is Matthew Rinaudo and has 640,000 Twitch followers". Updated wording is "Mizkif, who is also knwon as Matthew Rinaudo and has 640,000 Twitch followers"

Thought it should be pointed out here because it's easy to miss, and let the editors do with this information what they see fit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JTproton (talk • contribs) 16:50, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks! For now, my preferred next step is to change nothing. Firefangledfeathers (talk) 16:57, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Didn't notice that update either. Agreed that it doesn't change anything insofar as how this article should be written. ‑‑Volteer1 (talk) 17:22, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Image

Due to the previous image being a facially-obstructed photo of Rinaudo, I have changed it to a more identifiable photo of him. L33tm4n (talk) 16:56, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

Mizkif's Last Name

I believe it is more accurate to use "Mizkif" instead of "Rinaudo" on the page to refer to him. I have left this comment here instead of editing the article in order to not publish material that constitutes "original research"Aisonix (talk) 21:01, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

If secondary, reliable sources are published that make connections like this, or refer to this person using a different name, we can potentially use them. But it is absolutely inappropriate for us to be publishing names other than the one(s) he uses based on digging into primary sources. People change their names or use pseudonyms for all kinds of reasons, and that is fine: WP:BLPPRIVACY. I do not understand the insistence on digging up what is supposedly this individual's birth name to include here; there is no good reason for it. GorillaWarfare (she/her • talk) 16:16, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

Just to add to this thread that there does now seem to be at least one non-primary source on this recently from the site Sportskeeda: https://www.sportskeeda.com/esports/slicker-complains-rewards-on-mizkif-s-otk-parasocial-event FeWorld (talk) 17:06, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. That source is not reliable for this claim. I think the most recent discussion of the reliability of sportskeeda.com was here. Firefangledfeathers 17:20, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

I can confirm that Mizkif's surname is not Rinuado, it started as an inside joke on his stream. However, he now uses this name online totally, and has kept his real surname private (although it is possible to find it online, I won't share it).

Would it not be prudent however for the article to say that Rinuado is not his real birth name, even if it doesn't divulge his actual real name? Calcium17 (talk) 11:02, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for responding to my comment. I appreciate the way you laid things out. Out of respect for privacy per Wikipedia's policy (referred to above) I have deleted most of the rest of the comment. Hopefully this can at least be a lesson to future potential editors about things that are and aren't permissible. Aisonix (talk) 00:01, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 January 2022

His real name is not Rinaudo, he has been lying/creating the meme in order to hide it. real proof: [removed] How is that not a reliable source? it shows his name,company and location, which is texas. Where are the reliable resources that his family name is rinaudo?

The real name is Matthew [removed] another proof his real life friend and erobb reaction when accidentally leaked.

He attended High school graduation, [removed] His full name being called

He attended at this college College graduation, [removed]

[removed] His name Matt [removed] being called [removed] His appearance Verox67 (talk) 23:49, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Change the real name Emily rinaudo is NOT his sister Add his highschool and college

@ScottishFinnishRadish did you actually see the links or are you trolling?

Okay counter question: Where do we get to assume Rinaudo is his real name. The only "source" here is him saying it which he could be as well as lying/pretending/meming whatever (based on how many "stories" he has been fabricating/telling)

The coperate site states his name [removed], the Youtube video (it was a stream where his real life friend and erobb221 have been streaming and of course the video of demand got deleted. Erobb221 has been living with Mizkif in 2019 if you guys don't know and you can see at the end of the video Mizkif writing in Discord to Erobb) mentions [removed] and you can listen to his name and watch his face at the time stamps on the highschool as well as the college video. All the "sources" (reliable or not) are indicating that assuming rinaudo is his real name is questionable if not wrong. Writing [removed] in his chat will get you permabanned and he will always deny it.

Edit: alright, what about these "sources" then also stating [removed] as his name?

https://www.sportskeeda.com/esports/sodapoppin-attempts-send-mizkif-insulting-message-gets-banned-twitch-chat https://www.sportskeeda.com/amp/esports/when-pokimane-s-twitch-ban-end?article-trending https://www.sportskeeda.com/esports/nmplol-jokes-hitting-maya-higa-hypothetical-split-malena https://www.sportskeeda.com/esports/got-milli-videos-atrioc-ludwig-make-connection-mizkif-s-youtube-views-titles https://www.sportskeeda.com/esports/fans-confused-erobb-s-leaked-news-mizkif-russel https://www.sportskeeda.com/esports/sodapoppin-attempts-send-mizkif-insulting-message-gets-banned-twitch-chat https://www.sportskeeda.com/esports/pokimane-others-laugh-shock-mizkif-obliterates-word-game-public-twitch-stream https://www.sportskeeda.com/esports/slicker-complains-rewards-on-mizkif-s-otk-parasocial-event

Remember there are different article writers on those links (besides Vibha Hegde) and yes this site is unreliable as stated above, my point here is that this name [removed] is mentioned several times.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4mzILoBv6c (him confirming that he was wrestling in highschool) [removed] https://www.reddit.com/r/Mizkif/comments/fha56e/another_one/ (author says the photos are public so sources to that can be found)

You can't say that these have no connection to each other and confidently state Rinaudo as his real name without questioning it. Are you telling me that there are two different people out there? Possible, but i personally doubt it.

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. None of these are reliable sources for his name. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 23:55, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Expanding on SFR's comments: the corporate records are problematic because we have to assume he's the managing partner. Granted, it's not an unreasonable assumption. However, we are advised at WP:BLPPRIMARY against using records like these as sources in articles. The YouTube video from BeanBag Archive is not reliable; it is an unknown, unverified, source. The high school graduations are circumstantial; there's no way to confirm the individual in the graduations is Mizkif. —C.Fred (talk) 00:20, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

I agree with SFR and C.Fred. Please stop re-opening this request. You'll need consensus here before the edit can happen. SFR is already here, so using the edit request template is achieving very little. Firefangledfeathers 04:04, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

Heh, I feel that's some commentary on my closing style. Also nothing that I'm closing this again. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:22, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

Really it was a commentary on who responds to edit requests, and it's mostly you! I'm grateful. Firefangledfeathers 14:26, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

Thanks! Also let me clarify that I didn't assume a negative connotation, just that is not that I stay on top of them when they've already been answered. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:46, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

Would a deed record for his house be a reliable source or otherwise acceptable under Wikipedia:BLPPRIMARY? Swedinator123 (talk) 13:10, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

• I did a quick check on the sources in the article. New York Times is paywalled, so I can't verify the name. Comic Book says Rinaudo, as does Wired. Thus, it will take high-quality published reliable secondary sources to displace the current name. —C.Fred (talk) 12:38, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

  NYT names him as "Matthew Rinaudo". Firefangledfeathers 14:27, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

  NYT is wrong btw, his surname is 100% not Rinuado, but it is now used widely across the internet and has so, in effect, become his surname as a result. Calcium17 (talk) 11:04, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 June 2022

His name is Matthew [removed] not Matthew Rinaudo. Stickguy19 (talk) 15:10, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. WikiVirusC^(talk) 15:12, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 August 2022

Change last name from "Rinaudo" to "[removed]" 2603:8000:2440:9916:E0CB:CC3:4BCF:C183 (talk) 04:04, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:32, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

Controversy section

Based on WP:BLPSPS, WP:AVOIDVICTIM, WP:BLPCRIME, WP:LIBEL, WP:INDISCRIMINATE,WP:NOTSCANDAL, WP:RS, WP:BLPSPS and WP:PROMOTION (BLP policy applies to all living persons, not just the page subject); the BLP policy appears to support removing any individuals names and identities that are not the BLP page subject, either due to the severity of the allegations, potentially libelous and controversial nature of the accusations involved - for both the alleged accused and victims, unconfirmed legal status of these accusations, the low quality sources and reliance on self published statements, as well as the potential for normalizing including this type of self promotion (which is difficult to discern with public social media figures) on Wikipedia WP:BLPCOI, WP:NPOV, WP:NOR.

The OTK organization Wikipedia page seems to summarize it well for reference.

"On September 20, 2022, co-owner Mizkif was placed on leave by the group after a series of clips and other content involving him, which included him allegedly downplaying an incident of sexual assault, as well as racist and homophobic comments made from 2018 to 2019, came to light"

Since this is a recent event obviously any updates to the reporting or quality of sources would require additional review. 47.234.137.203 (talk) 15:48, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

 Comment: I have removed the {{Edit semi-protected}} template as it's used for specific edits that are uncontroversial. A general call for cleanup in relation to policies is out of scope. —Sirdog (talk) 02:39, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 December 2022

Current version: "On September 19, 2022, Rinaudo was accused by fellow twitch streamer Trainwreckstv of downplaying and covering up an incident where his roommate and fellow Twitch streamer CrazySlick allegedly sexually assaulted another Twitch streamer by the name of AdrianahLee. Later that day, streamer Ice Poseidon, whom Rinaudo worked with during his early streaming career, unveiled a series of racist and homophobic comments made by Rinaudo that spanned from 2018 to 2019. The following day, as a result of the aforementioned incidents, Rinaudo was placed on leave by One True King."

Requested version: "On September 19, 2022, Rinaudo was accused by fellow Twitch streamer Trainwreckstv of downplaying and covering up an incident where his roommate and fellow streamer CrazySlick allegedly sexually assaulted female streamer AdrianahLee. Later that day, streamer Ice Poseidon, whom Rinaudo worked with during his early streaming career, unveiled a series of racist and homophobic comments made by Rinaudo that spanned from 2018 to 2019. The following day, as a result of the aforementioned incidents, Rinaudo was placed on leave by One True King."

Correcting capitalization and other grammar + removing a link per MOS:REPEATLINK. 96.235.164.171 (talk) 17:43, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

Done; thank you IP! Ovinus (talk) 22:46, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

References

Real name.. again

Since you have deleted all hints for his real real name here, maybe you should do the same on Wikidata!? --2A02:1210:28A5:7A00:5988:A756:C116:EDC (talk) 11:42, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 February 2023

Change Matthew Rrinaudo to Matthew (Redacted)

The latter one is his real name. Source: (Redacted) Page 34, top row in the middle Tandiem (talk) 19:23, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: See Talk:Mizkif/Archive 1#Real Name for previous discussion on this. There would need to be reliable, secondary sources establishing this fact, not yearbook scans or other WP:PRIMARY sources. See WP:BLP for more. GorillaWarfare (she/her • talk) 19:27, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

Mizkif's last name

https://trellis.law/case/48453/d-1-gn-23-001507/d-1-gn-23-001507

Is this lawsuit against Mizkif enough evidence to prove his real last name? 107.127.46.58 (talk) 13:48, 8 April 2023 (UTC)

Primary sources aren't enough, it was the same issue with previous sources provided. Until we get some reliable sources using the other last name we should hold off on using it. The best suggestion I can think of is to use "also known as Matthew Rinaudo" as the York Times does(after updating). The only thing to consider is whether we refer to him as Rinaudo or Mizkif throughout the rest of the article. WikiVirusC^(talk) 20:24, 8 April 2023 (UTC)

Is this supposed to be the "active" discussion? You're replying to one question and then saying they are "active discussions". Anyway. No, we shouldn't keep in the name we all understand is objectively a lie, no matter how many people have fallen for said lie. Just like we don't say Trump won the 2020 election. If you or anybody else wants to change the page to include the fact people have fallen for a fake name, that's fine of course. But honestly I'm terrible at writing, and since not many people are actually interested in this person, it's gonna have to just call him "Mizkif" until somebody makes it look nicer. It's not perfect, but it's better than literally lying about his name. Wikipedia isn't just some stupid little source collector for most people, they treat what they read here as fact. The longer "Rinuado" stays the more people will fall for it. So it's a perpetual cycle. Somebody should break the cycle now that we know the name is fake. Derunar (talk) 10:41, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

I'm not sure when anyone even said "active" but this discussion started yesterday before I told you there were discussion on talk page, so not sure why your using quotations here and in edit comment. You made a claim that there was no interest for talk page, and I pointed out that there have been multiple people interested in his last name as it is used on Wikipedia. The article isn't going to have anything put in it that isn't found in a reliable source. If a reliable source doesn't say "people have fallen for a fake name", we can't write that in our article. If we are going to the other last name we need that from a reliable source. Whether it is his real name or not, he is "known as" Rinuado as stated by New York Times. I would suggest you review some of the guidelines for Wikipedia, and in particular read up on the three revert rule. I would suggest you undo your last revert as you are well over the 3RR. I would have said something on my last revert, but you said it was your last undo so figured you were already aware not to do it again. WikiVirusC^(talk) 13:10, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

No I was not aware of any 3 undos rule, I was told my edit was reverted because I should first "reach consensus on the Talk page", which did not seem very possible since there was nobody on the Talk page to talk to, just months old posts which weren't about the court documents, nobody to argue with and therefore no "consensus" to reach. Afterwards you said there were three " discussions" in your undo message, but when I checked the only recent active discussion was this, which you replied to at the same time you undid my edit. So I just found that funny. Anyway, as I said now the 4th undo was my last undo, so if for whatever reason you insist on keeping undeniably false information on the page, you're welcome to. I just tried to remove it. I think it's acceptable to say "also known as Matthew Rinuado", but then refer to him as Mizkif. That's a passable solution atm Derunar (talk) 13:49, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

You find it funny, but its the standard BRD process. I reverted and came to talk page to discuss, that is only thing I and previous editors were trying to tell you to do. Anyways, I changed lead sentence to Mizkif, who is also known as Matthew Rinaudo. We can wait on others' feedback on whether to use Rinaudo or Mizkif to name him throughout rest of article. WikiVirusC^(talk) 14:02, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

Hey I just changed it to Mizkif just now. We don't need to wait for other's feedback (there probably won't be any "others" ever anyway). We both known Rinuado is a fake name so it's best to refer to him as Mizkif, it minimizes the amount of possible misinformation being spread. I don't think this counts as an undo since I think your addition of "also known as Matthew Rinuado" is good. Derunar (talk) 15:00, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

Please familiarize yourself with the edit warring policy and allow the discussion to progress rather than repeatedly restoring your preferred change. Rinaudo is the name that he uses and it's mentioned in multiple reliable sources, so I see no reason it shouldn't be used in this article. Plenty of people use names besides their birth names, and the names by which they are commonly known are the ones we use throughout the article. In some cases the birth names are also well known and widely reported and so can be reliably sourced, so they are added to articles in addition to the professional name; in other cases they are not and so they should not be. If you're not familiar with the phenomenon, perhaps see Marilyn Monroe (born Norma Jeane Mortenson), Natalie Portman (born Natalie Hershlag), or Jamie Foxx (born Eric Marlon Bishop).

Regarding "Mizkif" vs. "Rinaudo" throughout, typically article titles should match the common name (in this case, Mizkif), but then use the surname throughout. The relevant guideline is at MOS:SURNAME, which also addresses the topic of pseudonymous names and surnames:

After the initial mention, a person should generally be referred to by surname only. ... When a majority of reliable secondary sources refer to persons by a pseudonym, they should be subsequently referred to by their pseudonymous surnames, unless they do not include a recognizable surname in the pseudonym (e.g. Sting, Snoop Dogg, the Edge), in which case the whole pseudonym is used. For people well known by one-word names, nicknames, or pseudonyms, but who often also use their legal names professionally – e.g., André Benjamin ("André 3000"), Jennifer Lopez ("J.Lo"); doctor/broadcaster Drew Pinsky ("Dr. Drew") – use the legal surname. If they use their mononym or pseudonym exclusively, then use that name (e.g. Aaliyah, Selena, and Usher).

You can see how this is done in articles about various other streamers; for example, Cr1TiKaL refers to the subject throughout by his surname White, Ninja (gamer) refers throughout to the subject as Blevins, Pokimane refers throughout to Anys, etc. GorillaWarfare (she/her • talk) 19:33, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

No, he doesn't "go by Rinuado". He never claimed to be actually called Rinuado. It comes from his referring to a porn-star Emily Rinuado as his sister, because they resemble each other. So people, believing the joke, spread the idea that his last name must also be Rinuado. This isn't some kind of serious form of identity, it stems from a lie, a joke, not his own desire for that to be his identity. He doesn't refer to himself as "Rinuado" anywhere, not on his Twitter, Twitch, Instagram, absolutely nowhere will Matthew Misrendino refer to himself as Matthew Rinuado. So to refer to him as Rinuado participates in the logic that Emily Rinuado is his sister, which isn't factually correct.

So it summarize, his friends and fans don't call him "Rinuado", he isn't "know as Rinuado", he has, as a complete joke, managed to trick people into assuming his last name is Rinuado . The only people who refer to him as such are gullible, misinformed internet news articles, who then propagate the joke further. Therefore, Wikipedia shouldn't treat that last name as a genuine form of identity, and should not refer to his name throughout the article. I think the name shouldn't be mentioned at all honestly, but I assume too many people would want to mention it. I will wait for you to respond before editing it this time Derunar (talk) 20:28, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

Per the New York Times, "Mizkif, who is also known as Matthew Rinaudo..." Per Comicbook.com, "Matthew "Mizkif" Rinaudo is one of..." If there are errors in those sources, I would recommend you reach out to the sources so they can issue corrections. In the meantime, we would need reliable sources that support your assertions that the name is a joke, etc. Otherwise we just have your word against the NYT. GorillaWarfare (she/her • talk) 20:42, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

Oh sure man let me just call up the New York Times and tell them how that one time they mentioned a "Matthew Rinaudo" in passing one time in one article written by 1 lady, she actually got his name wrong. I'm sure they'll fix it right up.

While getting changes past Wikipedia editors is proving to be more difficult than I thought for some reason, I still think correcting the New York Times would be harder. But there are legally citable websites now already reporting on his real name, except they're crappy gossip sites and I'd rather not have to verify all that. The "Comicbook" mention was made after Wikipedia called him Rinuado in 2020, they might have actually gotten misinformed from this page. Anyway, you already saw the court documents that clearly said what his real name was, so "reliable" sources mentioning it shouldn't matter much. What should matter is whether Mizkif genuinely considers "Rinuado" to be a pseudonym, which you can confirm he doesn't since he absolutely never said that was his name in any serious way, and nobody who understands the Twitch community considers that to be his name. Like I said, all those "sources" are just misinformed outsiders who got trolled Derunar (talk) 22:49, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

Publications including the Times routinely correct errors that are brought to their attention.

There are certainly court documents — or in her case, actual usable sources that don't violate WP:BLPPRIMARY — that would "prove" that Marilyn Monroe's real name is Norma Jeane Mortenson. That doesn't mean that the name by which she is known is incorrect. There are lots of people who use names besides their birth names for all kinds of reasons, and so far we have two reliable sources to verify the Rinaudo name with only your personal assertions calling them into question. GorillaWarfare (she/her • talk) 01:30, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

GorillaWarfare man you're ignoring what I'm saying. Marilyn Monroe WENT BY Marilyn Monroe, that's what she called herself. That's what her fans call her. That's what her managers called her. That was a legitimate identity. NOBODY calls Mizkif "Matthew Rinuado" except goofy misinformed news articles that mention him in passing. IT'S A JOKE. A JOKE THEY FELL FOR. I'm thinking this a pretty airtight point Derunar (talk) 10:40, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

Your point doesn't change Wikipedia policies. It's a matter of what reliable sources refer to them as that determines what we use or include on Wikipedia. In regards to New York Times, as seen in discussion about this last year, it used to say Mizkif, who is Matthew Rinaudo, and they updated to "Mizkif, who is also known as Matthew Rinaudo. So they already made an update to fix it once they realized their mistake. Sources refer to him by this name, so it doesn't matter how it started joke or whatever, it still is what he is known by in reliable sources. If he wanted to correct what last name sources use, he could say something and then new sources would use that. He doesn't seem to care, so there should be no reason for you to get so worked up. WikiVirusC^(talk) 16:43, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

Yes, he doesn't care, but he is a known troll and probably enjoys the fact people fell for it. I don't care anymore. It shouldn't refer to him by a fake joke name in the article, it is very clearly an exception to "wikipedia policies" since it not a real pseudonym. This is like if Eric Andre implied he was called "pingpongbingbong" or some absurd shit, and one utterly incompetent website called him that because they're that gullible, and then Wikipedia sources them and also calls him "pingpongbingbong". "Mr pingpongbingbonbg was born in Florida", you look like a goofy, gullible, butt of the joke. Anyway, I already put his name as (Redacted) in multiple other Wikis that don't have inane policies, so I guess someone will pick it up and eventually and your bureaucratic robotic wikipedia brain will stop spreading known misinformation Derunar (talk) 11:08, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

Please read about reliable sources. An "utterly incompetent website" wouldn't be considered a RS, and if it used a random name, it wouldn't be valid to use as source for Wikipedia. If multiple reliable sources such as the New York Times and Wired use it, which is the case here, it will be used on Wikipedia. WikiVirusC^(talk) 12:54, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

How about his own merch website https://mizkifmerch.com/? DestinyFound (talk) 09:53, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

Have you got any links (from Mizkif's known social media accounts, etc.) supporting that that is his own merch site? It looks like a pretty run of the mill rip-off merch site. GorillaWarfare (she/her • talk) 16:46, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

You may be right, I can't find anything. DestinyFound (talk) 13:09, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

Should philanthropy section be removed?

The events and amount raised don't seem notable enough to warrant a separate section, maybe just a mention in "career" section? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ekcrisp (talk • contribs) 04:11, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

They still insist on using the wrong surname he made up as a joke so i doubt people care enough about changing content to a different section... Coolbeanzyo (talk) 20:49, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Removal of claim of "inappropriate comments towards female streamer in 2019"

This claim is/was annotated by two references: one from influencerupdate.biz and another published a few days later from dotesports.com. If you read the more recent Dot Esports article, the female streamer states that she herself drunkenly and jokingly initiated a discussion of inappropriate nature (not Rinaudo) but later decided to request getting the footage removed due to embarrassment for her own behavior. The article makes it overwhelmingly clear that this event wrongfully attributes allegations of misbehavior to Rinaudo. The initial claim is based on outdated speculative information that was subsequently disproved. YassaBukhara (talk) 23:21, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

Career Subjective Language

In the fifth paragraph why does is say the accusations were “false”? The corresponding reference links (16-19) only state the accusations and not that they were false. 24.34.101.91 (talk) 08:24, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

Good point. I removed "falsely". If strong sources describe the accusations that way, I'd appreciate being pointed toward them. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 13:25, 5 February 2024 (UTC)