Talk:Mića Jovanović

PRESSONLINE

Looks like a bit of a propaganda outlet. See this attack on an archaeologist[1]. What happened to the criminal case she brought against the subject of this article?[2] This[3] is interesting. Doug Weller talk 14:23, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

Wife

Seems to own an air taxi company in partnership with John Naisbitt University.[4] Doug Weller talk 14:28, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

NPOV

Obvious - leaves out the scandal that led to his resignation. Quite a few sources, eg [5]. Doug Weller talk 14:29, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

Issues over sources

Copying below a post to my talk page as this is the best place to discuss it.

Artice revision (all the necessary details including the link and name of the article, aswell as the diff included in the body)

Dear Mr Weller,

First of I'd like to thank you for taking your time to read the message. Also, I'd like to apologize to you in advance for any typing mistakes that I made, as english is not my native language.

I'd like to disscuss more about the recent edits (changes) that I've made (which were reverted) on the following article. There have been many debates about the content found on the page not so long ago and many changes were made during last few months - even days, if you look at the View history tab.

Before I do start, if you'd allow me, I'd like to cite your revision page:

1. Any edit that personally attacks someone or something.
2. Any edit that involves a person, place, or thing that is not especially important, or that does not provide enough information to positively identify the subject of the sentence or phrase.

The first revision I've made was due to the lack of references and a lot of missunderstandings and inaccurate information (whereas, I wanted to point out that the whole "Controversey" tab was based on missleading/false positive newspaper/tabloid articles and claims). The references left in the controversey tab (where most of the text comes from), are all gone (removed from the online newspaper's due to the fact that were false accusations).

The references left are as follow (I'll post a link of each of those with an short summary):

http://pescanik.net/rektor-mica-baron-minhauzen-ili-kako-je-ministrov-mentor-zagubio-doktorat

• This one is the only valid link, as it is the one that actualy do exist; mainly due to the fact that this online portal is based all arround gossips and (mostly!) false positive information and inaccurate claims that has something to do with controversies.

http://web.archive.org/web/20140909182703/http://inserbia.info/today/2014/06/breaking-megatrend-rector-mica-jovanovic-does-not-have-london-phd-minister/

• The link provided is archived (old cached version of the website). As you can see it is prefixed with Web Archive that captures the old content that was removed from the Internet (not to name the reasons as I don't want to sound subjective on the matter).

http://web.archive.org/web/20140909182703/http://inserbia.info/today/2014/06/breaking-megatrend-rector-mica-jovanovic-does-not-have-london-phd-minister/

• Same as the previous link - it is prefixed with Web Archive that captures the old content that was removed from the Internet. If you visit the last 2 links without the Web Archive part (http://web.archive.org/web/20140909182703/) you'll be taken to the not found page - Page not found.

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics.php?yyyy=2014&mm=06&dd=12&nav_id=90654

• This is the invalid link, with a deadend (the actual link doesn't take the visitor to the article it was referencing, as it was deleted long ago, but rather to the latest news from the politics category).

http://inserbia.info/today/2014/06/mica-jovanovic-resigns-over-fake-phd-claim/

• This link, same as the previous ones, is from the Inserbia Info domain and its' content was removed. This one is not prefixed though, so it points to the deadend - 404 page.

http://www.alo.rs/vesti/aktuelno/mica-napustio-sam-sps-i-srbiju/67507

• This link, as most of the others, is pulled from the archive (as the archive subdomain proves, when you visit the actual page). The web page is not a 404 link, but rather pulls the deleted article from the archive - http://arhiva.alo.rs/...

http://www.e-novine.com/entertainment/entertainment-vesti/109102-Spona-Tadievih-prepona.html

• Once again a deadend - 404 page not found.

Also, as someone who resides in the same country as Mr Mića Jovanović., I'm totaly aware of the controversey that was going on, last year, but as you already saw from the listed, all the claims made were false positive and had certain political conotations during elections (in Serbia).

Once again I'd like to thank you Mr Weller, for your time and patience.

Awaiting for the feed back on the matter,

Sincerely NDojcinovic (talk) 23:54, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

@NDojcinovic: First, your English is excellent. I'm envious. This is just a quick reply. Dead links don't always mean that content was removed. It may have been moved to a different url, media sites may not always keep archives but simply allow some pages to expire after a while (which is a sort of removal but not I think what you mean). Are you contesting what seems to be the fact that Jovanovic once claimed a PhD which he no longer lists?

Without looking at the links above, can I point you to these links: [6] which is to Reuters, The Times Higher Education and [7] published by the press office of the University of Nottingham. I note that the Reuters source has quite a bit more to say including "Jovanovic made a fortune from Megatrend, the most prominent of the private Serbian universities with reputations for quick, rather than quality, education and links to political parties." A search of the Balkanist Magazine[8] turns up a lot. This even says he once pretended to be blind in an exam. And of course there's this. I'll post again later. Doug Weller talk 08:03, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

References

Main article

Please refer the objections that I posted below to some SUPERIOR administrator. Thank you.

Sorry. I had finally a brief look at the article. This article is BADLY written and real mist. Here are some observations.

It is stated "He is again its rector." What sentence is this? Then it goes on with dry trivialities...

This text in the end contains defamatory presentation of an academic personality supported wit really BAD REFERENCES and in fact unconvincing and unsupported argumentation. As I said, and the reference given by above commentator, shoes that Jovanovic claimed to have "defended" not "obtained" the thesis at the LSE.

http://web.archive.org/web/20140909182703/http://inserbia.info/today/2014/06/breaking-megatrend-rector-mica-jovanovic-does-not-have-london-phd-minister/

I followed the PhD thesis scandal and later the literature and the book of Dr. Pavlovic. Number of my arguments are given in the place that you indicated WP:BLPN.

The fact is that the scandal about that PhD thesis was not brought to an end because Jovanovic left the University Megatrend for some time; University was left to be managed by other personalities. He returned later, changed its name and took the rector position and the University is now ranked 10 in Serbia and second best from the private universities in Serbia.

http://www.webometrics.info/en/Europe/serbia

Then, as I said, it was badly written from the beginning in the first place. Look at the references:

Reference 1 cite some irrelevant Australian journal??? The thesis cited has NOT been demonstrated to be plagiarized and I explained above what happened.

Reference 5 does not work.

Reference 6 is some Osservatorio Balcani Caucaso??? What relevance has that Caucasian journal??

Reference 7 is clear conflict of interest since the authors are the lecturers that presented themselves as professors in Serbia, what they were NOT IN SERBIA. So felony... I explained the otehr day why.

Reference 8 cites a very short text from Die Presse about minister Stefanovic whose PhD has not been proven to be plagiarized. And - what relevance has this here anyway?

Link 9 does not work. And the statement that it is supposed to supports is not true ("Subsequently, Jovanovic left Serbia, saying that he had "no intention of doing anything more in Serbia.").

The end sentence - link Information about PhD dissertation in Slovenia does not work.

Dear Doug Weller Your objection to my editing was not justified. You objected to my intervention to be defamatory the other day while it was only descriptive of what was supported with hard evidence. I produced a full list of references. Yet the article it concerns is as I said bad and trivial. And you permit such an article and criticized my editing??? ? Please use your experience. The page "Mica Jovanovic" is really bad, was bad when it was constructed, contains defamation and should be left to somebody who will be able to construct it. I understand that you are very busy.

Please remove the WARNING FROM MY TALK (I asked 3 times already) and let me edit the page professionally.

And as a temporary solution I proposed:

Profesor Dragan Pavlović (Dalhousie University, Cанада) claimed in his book "Ethics of scientific text" that the accusations were unfounded. It was claimed also that the lecturer who incited those accusations (Marko Milanovic) did not have Serbian equivalence to his British qualifications, and that he also were committing similar felony as the accused. (Etika naučnog teksta, Čigoja štampa, Beograd, 2015)

Thank you.Sorbonneparis (talk) 20:45, 1 June 2019 (UTC)

SORRY, I think the objections are simple and should be kept here. SO: Please correct the References which are often just tabloids, or contain conflicts of interests or are the so called "yellow press":

The reference 6 still does not work as well as the link to Information about PhD dissertation in Slovenia

7. is remote Caucasus publication (??)

8 and 9 have conflict of interests (authors are the same as the authors of the "accusatory" claims.

10. is again trivial tabloid.

And as already said, and this is really not a "philosophcal" problem: Milanovic and Radeljic (involved in the scandal about Jovanovic or Minister Stefanovic´s PhD) presented themselves as professors while they did not have these equivalents in Serbia - what is illegal in Serbia (and what is quite similar to their accusation of Jovanovic).

And as a temporary solution I propose the short paragraph that I already gave above.Sorbonneparis (talk) 17:25, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

Pinging some active editors

@Gog the Mild, Wgolf, Melcous, and Vanjagenije: comments? There's also a discussion at WP:BLPN#Possible defamation of academmics ((apologise Vanjagenije but I wasn't sure if you knew about this). Doug Weller talk 12:42, 2 June 2019 (UTC)