Talk:Mayor of Doncaster

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another one Never seen quite so much sourced material deleted by any editor before. WP:FORK issue? In ictu oculi (talk) 17:48, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

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All links to Mayor of Doncaster now go to either Civic mayor of Doncaster or Directly elected mayor of Doncaster. MRSC (talk) 14:32, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks MRSC! — JFG ^talk 00:18, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

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Requested move 6 July 2017

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Moved as proposed. There is consensus in favor of the move, but an open question remains as to whether the same should be applied to all "Directly elected mayor of" articles. bd2412 T 21:06, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

Directly elected mayor of Doncaster → Mayor of Doncaster – For brevity and for consistency with Mayor of Salford (a similar case with a separate corresponding article entitled Civic mayor of Salford). The proposed name already redirects to this article and has since 2013 when the article was split to spin off Civic mayor of Doncaster as a separate article. —BarrelProof (talk) 20:42, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

• Oppose per Directly elected mayor of Copeland, Directly elected mayor of Hackney, Directly elected mayor of Lewisham, Directly elected mayor of Liverpool, Directly elected mayor of Newham, Directly elected mayor of Stoke-on-Trent and Directly elected mayor of Tower Hamlets. Category:Directly elected mayors in England and Wales & Category:Former directly elected mayors in the United Kingdom shows the two naming patterns are in broadly equal use and a group nomination of all articles to allow consideration in both directions is the best way forward, not a one-off approach. Timrollpickering 10:48, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

  That's interesting. I arrived at this by reviewing Category:Lists of mayors of places in England, which only has this one "Directly elected mayor of X" in it (and the contrasting structure for Mayor of Salford, where the directly elected mayor article is at the base name like what I am proposing for this one). In my view, since Mayor of Doncaster redirects to Directly elected mayor of Doncaster, the dominant meaning of "Mayor" in this case is (at least allegedly) the directly elected one. To have the short form redirect to the longer one seems a bit malplaced. In any case, we should attempt to have some rational basis for the naming, which doesn't seem evident in this case. —BarrelProof (talk) 09:49, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

• Support - the current title is an abomination. Almost all reliable sources refer to this as the "Mayor of Doncaster",[1][2][3][4] and the target already redirects here. The elected official is generally always going to be primary over the civic mayor, and in most cases I doubt the civic mayor would even merit a dedicated article. A simple list would suffice, as at Civic mayor of Salford (which could be renamed to List of civic mayors of Salford). Suggest an RM to move the others mentioned as well.  — Amakuru (talk) 12:15, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
• Oppose and replace the redir at Mayor of Doncaster with a two-way DAB. Evidence above shows that the term is seriously ambiguous. Globally, most readers will be as shocked as I was to find out that Doncaster voters have decided to have two mayors at once. But that's the situation, and we need to deal with it and give readers the best experience possible. This will also give a heads-up to those wikilinking to Mayor of Doncaster that there are two. Andrewa (talk) 15:41, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

  The civic mayor of Doncaster is an entirely unnotable post. Every town and city in the country has one, and they usually just serve for a year or two doing ceremonial things only, like opening leisure centres. The elected mayor, however, is a figure with genuine powers, elected by the people.  — Amakuru (talk) 10:53, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

• Support - Simplicity of title is the best, it is unnecessary to have this page be anything other than the simplest title. If there is any risk of confusion put a link out in the first line at the very top of the page. As for other pages titled 'directly elected x' they should be changed to conform to just 'Mayor of x'- see Mayor of London. Sport and politics (talk) 09:57, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
• Support the simplicity arguments have it here. The purpose of our titles are to make it easiest for readers to find it. The current title is clunky. Concision is key and in line with our naming conventions. TonyBallioni (talk) 01:45, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
• Support – In consideration of the oppose arguments and the list of similar cases, I would suggest that "Mayor of X" should be the article title of the directly elected mayors, and each of them should have a {{distinguish}} hatnote pointing to "Civic mayor of X", yiedling for example Not to be confused with Civic mayor of Doncaster. Lists of historical civic mayors should be renamed "Civic mayor of X" for consistency. Conversely, all "Civic mayor of X" articles should sport a {{distinguish}} hatnote pointing to "Mayor of X". @BarrelProof, Timrollpickering, Amakuru, Andrewa, Sport and politics, and TonyBallioni: How do you like that? The full list of affected municipalities is visible in the navbox {{Directly elected mayors in the United Kingdom}}; if my proposal is adopted, this list will have only "Mayor of X" articles. — JFG ^talk 15:28, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

Just found {{Lists of Mayors in the United Kingdom}} which shows all the (lists of) civic mayors, and should be renamed {{Lists of civic mayors in the United Kingdom}}. — JFG ^talk 15:32, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

I support the proposed re-naming, but would request that this discussion is made visible on all of the affected talk pages, and the wikiproject. The only mayoralty to be careful when disambiguating is Liverpool, due to the City of Liverpool and the Liverpool Region both having Mayors, apart from that there are no issues I can foresee.Sport and politics (talk) 20:19, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

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Followup RM launched at Talk:Directly elected mayor of Copeland#Requested move 18 July 2017 — JFG ^talk 00:39, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

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