Talk:Matt Cain

GA Review

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Reviewer: Bloom6132 (talk · contribs) 19:21, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

I'm going to be reviewing this. —Bloom6132 (talk) 19:21, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

Comments –

• For MLB sources (MLB.com, Giants.MLB.com), the work should be MLB.com, while the publisher should be MLB Advanced Media.
• Refs 1, 8, 13, 16, 17, 20, 21, 25, 27, 32, 37, 40, 49, 51, 54, 57, 58, 67, 70, 71, 73, 80, 81 and 86 should have Sports Reference LLC as the publisher.
• Date format should be consistent. Judging from the majority of dates, I'm guessing you prefer MM DD, YYYY. Refs 1, 11, 27–29, 33, 59, 87, 90 and 91 should be changed.
• Book at the bottom of the "References" section should have its own separate subsection. See my recently-promoted GA as an example.
• "debuted" – sounds better as "made his debut"
• "In 2011, Cain won 12 games and had a 2.88 ERA. champion Giants." – what's with the second part?
• "while amassing a 1.03 earned run average" – amassing doesn't seem to be the ideal word here, since it's more preferable to use it when a player wants to attain more of something; in baseball, this would be most appropriate for a higher, whole number (i.e. amassing hits, home runs, RBIs, etc.), as opposed to a lower, decimal number (i.e. ERA, WHIP). You could use recording or attaining, but I'll leave the final choice of word up to you.
• "but losing" – doesn't sound right. I'd go for "but still ended up losing…" or "…Rockies; he gave up only three hits…but still ended up losing…"
• "Wellemeyer (replaced midseason by Madison Bumgarner)" – add "who was" before replaced

The next two comments concern edits made by an IP. You can choose to either take my suggestions or remove the edits entirely.

• "Matt Cain had 14 strike-outs" – remove the hyphen, as it's usually written as one word. This also makes it consistent with the rest of the article.
• "One the Giants third home game against the St. Louis Cardinals, Cain threw two no-hit innings and then gave up nine runs in the third inning, pulling him out early." – should be "On the Giants'…" And "pulling him out early" doesn't sound right. "Knocking him out of the game early" might do, but sounds a bit colloquial. Maybe "cutting short his start"?

I'm putting this article on hold for now. Once most of the issues are addressed, I'll pass. —Bloom6132 (talk) 19:48, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

All concerns have been addressed; looks good to go. Passing the article. —Bloom6132 (talk) 04:49, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

"His changeup is his secondary pitch to left-handed hitters, while he throws cutters as a secondary pitch to right-handed hitters." But a cut fastball (cutter) is not listed as one of his pitches. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.141.109.92 (talk) 05:48, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Matt Cain is a 3x World Champion

This is a FACT. Please stop removing 2014. LiserKay (talk) 23:23, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

The consensus established by WikiProject Baseball is to include WS years in a player's infobox only if the player was on the team's postseason roster. We look to group consensus on certain editing issues because without it we would just be running around reverting each other's edits all the time to match our personal preferences. To think of it another way, watching a WS from the bench isn't going to be a career highlight for a player of Cain's caliber.

With all of that said, you have options. You could visit the project talk page and drum up some more discussion of this issue to see if consensus is changing. Please refrain from making similar changes to infoboxes for now though. EricEnfermero (Talk) 01:25, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

Not including 2014 is ridiculous. Matt Cain played for the Giants in 2014 and contributed to their success and eventual World Series win. He got a ring and is considered by the team to be a 3x World Series champion. The information here is therefore inaccurate. If he had been out the entire season (or even most of it) then leaving out 2014 would certainly be justified. A team isn't just selected to go to the post season. They have to play to get there. Any player that makes a contribution for a significant part of the season is a part of what gets the team to the post season in the first place. His contributions to the 2014 World Series should be acknowledged by including it in the infobox. I looked at the WikiProject Baseball page and the topic wasn't even discussed there until I just added it. So I don't see how a consensus was reached on WikiProject Baseball when the topic was never even discussed. --Jimv1983 (talk) 21:05, 2 September 2019 (UTC)--Jimv1983 (talk) 20:57, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

Jimv1983, please read above. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:25, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

Not including 2014 is stupid. Very stupid. 8.29.211.234 (talk) 17:47, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

He didn't pitch for them at all in the second half of the season, it's the same reason we don't include players who were traded away at the trading deadline. It's meant to indicate players who were active and participated in the World Series. Spanneraol (talk) 18:04, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

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