Talk:Mary Milligan

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The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 09:17, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

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• ... that Mary Milligan was the first General Superior of the Institute of the Religious of the Sacred Heart of Mary who was born in the United States? Source: Poss, Janice. "Mary Milligan, RSHM, STD" Chapter 7 in Challenging Bias against Women Academics in Religion, Colleen Hartung, editor. October 25, 2021, atla open press, p157. https://doi.org/10.31046/atlaopenpress.46
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Eleanor_Hadley
  • Comment: This is only my second nomination, so I am still learning as I go.

Created by Engmaj (talk). Self-nominated at 22:25, 12 November 2022 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Thanks very much for an interesting article. It is new enough, long enough, well sourced, is neutral and QPQ is done. Earwig picked up possible copyvio - but that is just for insitutional names and a long quotation, so all is good. For sources, I've indicated a couple of places where the reference needs adding. In terms of the hook, I think it needs clarifying, since the hook doesn't say where the Institute is and why it's significant they were born in the US. To be a bit hookier, something that mentions the Vatican, or that she was a nun might be more attention-grabbing? Lajmmoore (talk) 12:22, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks very much for your help with this. I have added the citations that you requested. What would you think of either of these hooks?

that Mary Milligan was the 10th General Superior of the Institute of the Religious of the Sacred Heart of Mary, a religious order founded in France in 1849, and the first born in the United States?
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that in 1987, the Vatican selected Mary Milligan as one of only three U.S. experts to assist the International Synod of Bishops on the Laity in Rome? 

Engmaj (talk) 23:44, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

hello @Engmaj: thanks very much for the alternate hooks. Please could you format the one that isn't struck through like the one at the top, and provide the source for the infomation? Then I think we will be good to go. Lajmmoore (talk) 08:31, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for your continued help with this. Not to be obtuse, but is this what you meant or is there a different way to go back and edit the initial submission? Also, I need to go back and work on the page. Since I started this DYK process, someone else has used a bot to "correct" the citation--but now it doesn't credit the author of the specific chapter on Milligan, it only names the editor of the volume. I believe that it should cite the specific chapter and author as seen below, so I need to go fix that. I don't want to just "revert" all the person's edits because it also changed hyphens and apostrophes that I wasn't aware were wrong. Sigh! I have a second source for this fact about Milligan, so if I can't get this citation sorted out, I will add the second source for the information and cite that one here. Again, I appreciate your help!

• ALT1 ... that in 1987, the Vatican selected Mary Milligan as one of only three U.S. experts to assist the International Synod of Bishops on the Laity in Rome? Source: Poss, Janice. "Mary Milligan, RSHM, STD" Chapter 7 in Challenging Bias against Women Academics in Religion, Colleen Hartung, editor. October 25, 2021, atla open press, p157. https://doi.org/10.31046/atlaopenpress.46

Engmaj (talk) 21:04, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks @Engmaj: - yes this lay out was what I had in mind! well done! Learning the ropes of DYK is really hard. You're doing great. If you drop a note here when you've fixed the citation I can approve this hook. If you have questions outside of DYK, feel free to ask them on my talk page :) Lajmmoore (talk) 21:25, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

OK, I believe I have it fixed. Many thanks for the encouragement and coaching. I will bookmark your talk page. Always good to have more sources for help. Engmaj (talk) 21:59, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

No problem, and just a reminder, the signature ~x4, goes at the end of your comment, not the start! easy mistake to make, happy editing! Lajmmoore (talk) 22:15, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Ooops. Thanks for setting me straight.  :-) Engmaj (talk) 22:59, 15 November 2022 (UTC)