Talk:Marvel Cinematic Universe: Phase Five

Need legend for colours in TV section

i also see colours in phase 3 TV table. What do they mean? Why are they there? I skimmed (on mobile) other sections and can't find any reference to them. 2607:FEA8:1F26:DF00:B221:7719:9ED8:EECA (talk) 14:25, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

These colors are the colors for the respective series' seasons as given on each of their articles. These are derived from the most prominent colors in their logos or posters, which is a common practice for television tables as explained at MOS:TVCOLOR. A legend is not needed for this as is is mainly visual aid. Trailblazer101 (talk) 15:26, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

X-Men '97 is excluded, but YFN Spider-Man is included

Both of these series are set in alternate realities from the MCU, yet both are produced by Marvel Studios So I don't see a reason to include one but not the other, either include both or exclude both — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.141.84.250 (talk) 16:44, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

YFNSM is already included in the section #Television series. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 16:54, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

X-Men '97 is not directly part of the MCU multiverse, unlike Your Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man which is an alternative universe in the MCU. Because X-Men '97 is included in the MCU timeline on Disney+ and has some other appearant connections to the MCU multiverse, it is mentioned at Marvel Cinematic Universe: Phase Five § Related, but it is not a part of this Phase, unlike YFN. Trailblazer101 (talk) 16:57, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

The current consensus is that YFNSM is part of the MCU franchise, even though it is set in an alternate timeline, while X-Men 97 is part of a separate timeline and a separate franchise. The reason it is included here at all is because there have been suggestions that it could end up connecting through the multiverse. - adamstom97 (talk) 16:58, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

New dates?

Are these sources reliable? This and this one 80.180.50.237 (talk) 15:48, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

As far as I can tell, these sources are speculating based the names of new logo files. That is not something we could use to confirm release dates. - adamstom97 (talk) 15:54, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

I see, the second source also says "If this new listing is accurate", so it might be just a rumor--80.180.50.237 (talk) 16:01, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

But the new logos are only for Eyes of Wakanda and Wonder Man, what about the other series? Where this dates come from?--80.180.50.237 (talk) 16:34, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

The logos were published at Disney's media press site. A lot of times companies register release dates ahead of time but these can and do change. Trailblazer101 (talk) 16:42, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

By the way, I think this is the source that the two website used in the article, but socials are not reliable, right?--80.180.50.237 (talk) 20:14, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

That is definitely not a reliable source, but we can use social media at times if it is a reliable person. - adamstom97 (talk) 20:23, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Here’s proof https://x.com/hollywoodhandle/status/1851460391332667693?s=46&t=mlvb-lKp-SiUfwUh5n4vvA Ovie11 (talk) 09:24, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

I have re-added the information with a new source that picked up on the video. Still a bit of clean-up needed across the different MCU articles. - adamstom97 (talk) 10:56, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

What If?

Adamstom.97, When there is two or more season of same series, they will be combined. This is a reason. Like this - List of Star Wars television series. This isn't different structure. Just, this is first time one series have two seasons in same phase. Lado85 (talk) 17:48, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

Usually that would be the case for a normal list of TV shows, but this also uses some film rules. This section has subsections based on when seasons are released and the overview table should match. It is different from Marvel's ABC television series or Marvel's Netflix television series, where the sections are structured at the series level so the overview tables match that. - adamstom97 (talk) 18:20, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

This isn't enough reason to list same show twice in a table. Release date make it clear where is season in overall chronology. Lado85 (talk) 18:38, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

Why isn't it enough? The table is a summary of the section, it should be structured in the same way. You keep making statements about how things must be done but have not provided any clear reasoning to support that. Like I said before, this article combines the approach for film and TV so there may be differences from other TV-only articles. - adamstom97 (talk) 10:11, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

It shouldn't be structured is this way. There is no difference from another T articles. You version is only your own opinion. Lado85 (talk) 12:03, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

You are just saying the opposite of what I said without anything to back it up. There are previous discussions about combining the rules for film and television that led to the structuring of these phase articles, that is what my version is based on. - adamstom97 (talk) 12:09, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

If you are talking about this - Talk:List of Marvel Cinematic Universe television series/Archive 4#Listings of seperate seasons, there was not same situation. There is nothing about two season of same show in same phase. Lado85 (talk) 12:16, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

While I can understand the sentiments from Lado, they do have a point in that we probably should not be duplicating a series entry in the table. The film-basis for how these tables are constructed still holds weight in its foundation, although, since we know Marvel Studios has since moved to a more traditional approach, I think that bodes some consideration in how we approach this in principal. I was going to bring this up with the table changes considering we have not had two seasons of a series in the same Phase, and I think, while arguments that the release order showcases chronology, these series are not chronological in nature (especially the What If seasons as they are anthologies). I would support combining the What If entries on the basis of the new TV approach and to avoid duplicate entires, but not combining the subheaders themselves. The added code in the short term is worth making it easier to navigate for readers without the potential for some confusion over having two entires for the same series, and I think there is enough room of leniency and ambiguity in the original decision to use this format to make this change. Trailblazer101 (talk) 20:46, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

I'm not really following what you are saying Trail, this isn't anything to do with chronological order. While Marvel have been moving more towards traditional television production, these seasons are still being produced and released in a similar way to the films. Even the series that have gotten additional seasons are treated more like multiple sets of limited series, not just by Marvel but by all of our page structures as well. If Loki season 2 happened to come out at the end of Phase Four I would also argue against combining both seasons of Loki since they are otherwise treated as separate entities. As I noted above, this would be different if the subsections were combined as I would still argue that the overview table should match the structure of the section that it represents. - adamstom97 (talk) 21:41, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

My apologies. The "chronology" bit was a response to a part of Lado's comments. I understand your rationale and I have no problems with how we display these tables, I just can understand why some would question it due to unfamiliarity with how these projects are treated. I don't think it is something we necessarily need to change at this time. Trailblazer101 (talk) 02:34, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

I had noticed this once I came back from my editing break, but saw there had been some back and forth in the editing. The What If seasons in the table should follow a "traditional" series overview approach where both are grouped together. We shouldn't be following a release order structure and splitting out the seasons. This is the first time this happened in any of the phases so it wasn't a problem before. But my opinion is the two should be grouped together as a normal overview should function. Additionally, I also think the prose should probably be combined too, as we can make one, slightly larger section for both seasons with all the info, rather than duplicating some of the production info between both. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 19:54, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

If we combine the sections in prose to follow a more tradition TV structure then I don't have a problem with the rows being combined in the table. - adamstom97 (talk) 20:04, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

With the new press release confirming some info for season 3, I think it would be beneficial. I'm going to be bold and make this change (it will be an easy revert if there is disagreement). - Favre1fan93 (talk) 21:39, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Ok I've done the combining here. If anyone majorly objects please revert, but I hope smaller adjustments can be made off of his change rather than a full revert. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 21:50, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

I fully support this motion. It just makes more sense and organizes it better for the long-term. Trailblazer101 (talk) 21:53, 11 November 2024 (UTC)