Talk:Lucha libre

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I know it's probably too late to bring this up but that thing about the first masked man in lucha doesn't sound right. The dates seem to predate traditional lucha libre. If this guy did come in when the article says, he was forgotten when Lucha Libre really started taking off. --Darren Jowalsen 14:47, July 21, 2005 (UTC)

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In section 1, "Masks", the article starts using the term "Luchadore" without any mention or explanation of it before. I would assume that it's synonymous with "wrestler" due to the context, but an explanation would be helpful. --Poiuyt Man ^talk 05:42, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

Ebert's mention

Since I don't know how to format it (Nor do I have the time to look it up), I thought I should mention this article was recently mentioned in Ebert's review of Nacho Libre. [1] Ohyeahmormons 11:34, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Done and done--Darren Jowalsen 15:43, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I am a spanish speaking person, so I modified the word "Luchadore" wich in spanish does not make sense, for "Luchador". That is in the first sentence "A Lucha Libre perfomer is known as a luchador"

In the first section about rules I changes the word 'nads' to 'groin' While the word 'nads' is funny, Wikipedia is a serious encyclopedia, and nads just isn't proper language. --LucasRN 04:38, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Is it real?

Is Lucha libre at all staged, like American Wrestling, or is it completely unscripted? Whatever the answer, it should probably be noted in the article itself. -72.43.103.251 15:31, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

It is generally not staged (but like boxing... who knows if some cases do arise). --FateClub 20:10, 28 March 2007 (UTC)—The preceding unsigned comment was added by FateClub (talk • contribs) 20:06, 28 March 2007 (UTC).

Of course it is staged/worked. It's just a different style of professional wrestling.

IT is staged. This should be mentioned in article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.137.139.232 (talk) 15:33, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

It is completely staged. There is not a single reason to call it 'wrestling' and call people in the ring 'wrestlers'. It must be called something like 'show' and people must be called performers/actors/acrobats. There is no sport in it (but article refers to it as 'sport'), there is no competition. I just feel sad for actual wrestling and martial arts, and sports in general.

It is, in fact, subtly, implicitly stated in the first sentence: "Lucha libre ... is a term used in Mexico for a form of professional wrestling developed in the country." Follow the link to "professional wresting", and you will find, right at the top: "This article is about wrestling in the form of athletic entertainment. For wrestling in the form of a combat sport, see Wrestling." and "Professional wrestling ... is an athletic form of entertainment based on a portrayal of a combat sport.[1]" Bobagem (talk) 21:12, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

Origins

What were the origins of Lucha Libre? Did it develop out of Lucha Canaria (See Canarian Wrestling) which is a very old sport? Although Lucha Canaria is fought on sand, not in a roped-in ring Arjayay 17:07, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Likewise I wonder about this - "The rules of lucha libre are very similar to its American predecessor in singles matches." (which annoys me as Mexico is American), which contradicts the line about the masks coming from the Aztecs. --MacRusgail (talk) 17:03, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Separating Mexican lucha libre from other Latin American lucha libre wrestling

Mexican lucha libre has a unique history and style of fighting which is tremendously popular in that country. I really think we should consider creating a separate article which focuses solely on Lucha Libre in Mexico, similar to the articles on Professional wrestling in Japan and Professional wrestling in the United States. We could summarize Mexican lucha libre in this article then move most of the content to a separate article. RoniRay (talk) 15:49, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

I think that only a Professional wrestling in Puerto Rico can be made, outside of Mexico, Puerto Rico is the only other Latin American country that has produced major wrestlers and WWE champions. Of course Puerto Rican lucha libre is very different than Mexican lucha, its more agressive and less aerial but its more acrobatic than American wrestling, so since this article only covers Mexican wrestling we should move it to reflect so. 24.139.163.117 (talk) 15:31, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Strong Bad

Strong Bad the Wrestleman from Homestar Runner is obviously very much inspired by Lucha libre, and the creators have even acknowledged this. Shouldn't this get at least a mention? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.117.107.182 (talk) 01:19, 20 March 2010 (UTC) Find a reliable source and put it in.  MPJ -DK  05:44, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

It is mentioned at Strong Bad. ErikHaugen (talk) 16:43, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Viewpoint

This article heavily emphasizes the idea of lucha libre as "foreign" and also keeps making statements like "like its American counterpart,.." There's really no reason for this localized tone. This reads heavily like an American Wrestling fan researching Lucha Libre and then explaining it to other Americans. What's good with that 20:58, 9 May 2013 (UTC)~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.31.142.169 (talk)

Correct translation of the term Lucha Libre

"Free Fight" can mean Pelea Gratis o Pelea Libre in Spanish, Freestyle Wrestling is a more appropriate term. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.131.2.85 (talk) 01:12, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

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"Lucha libre" as a series of articles

Since this page is ethnocentric to Mexican lucha libre and it fails to mention that the term has been used for many decades and other styles throughout the region (as far south as Argentina), this page would probably be best under the title of "Lucha libre in Mexico", with other similar pages being written for the other countries in the region. For starters, Professional wrestling in Puerto Rico should also be under "Lucha libre in Puerto Rico" since that is by far the most common term for the PR variant a well. Old School WWC Fan (talk) 10:12, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

There are a lot of "professional wrestling in", articles, and I'd argue that one should probably exist for Mexico as well, with information on Lucha Libre. This article should have some more worldwide bearing, aside from simply in Mexico. If you'd like to change the article, feel free. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 08:06, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

It's a move that I prefer not to do unilaterally, but there certainly are issues with the article. Even the very first sentence of the lead ("Lucha libre is the term used in Mexico for professional wrestling") is factually erroneous by omission, since it only mentions a single country out of several that make use of the term. Do you think that the wrestling WikiProject at large would be interested in the matter? Old School WWC Fan (talk) 05:52, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

I think that's the perfect place to bring this conversation up, actually. The project works on all sorts, so should be interested in something so widespread. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:33, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

Odd choice of examples

Given that this article is about lucha libre i.e. Mexican wrestling, why are all the examples given in the Luchas de apuestas section from WWE......? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:07, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

Precision Kombat League

https://www.fortmorgantimes.com/2023/07/24/brush-high-school-student-prepares-to-defend-lucha-libre-international-title/ -Relevant? 2600:6C67:1C00:5F7E:9C05:1C61:54C5:2166 (talk) 03:34, 27 July 2023 (UTC)