Talk:Love Story (Melody song)

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The result of the move request was: nothing blocking "Melody song" version.—Ryulong (琉竜) 05:00, 23 October 2013 (UTC) —Ryulong (琉竜) 05:00, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

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• Musician formats her name with lower case, and this is allowed as per will.i.am and kd lang —Ryulong (琉竜) 12:24, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
• See Talk:Melody Miyuki Ishikawa#Requested move and Talk:Melody Miyuki Ishikawa#Move?. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 15:19, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

  Why do you keep doing this to me Anthony?—Ryulong (琉竜) 20:27, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

• Oppose - Love Story (Melody song), no need for dot. Nor (Melody (Japanese singer) song) In ictu oculi (talk) 16:13, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

How reliable is this source? In ictu oculi (talk) 16:22, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

If no dot then the article should be at "Love Story (melody song)" as she is professionally known as "melody." (lower case) just like the United States has "will.i.am" and "apl.de.ap" and Canada produced "k.d. lang". Her being a Japanese musician should not mean she gets treated differently than these ones from the west.—Ryulong (琉竜) 18:40, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

Sorry but even worse; (melody song) can be a musical term: Frank Kogan Real Punks Don't Wear Black: Music Writing 2006 "But when Swizz Beatz goes to a melody song like "What Ya Want," using a rapper, Eve, who emphasizes offbeats, the music still sounds effortless and at ease, even while it refuses to honor the measure bars and the main beats." In ictu oculi (talk) 23:03, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Her name is written as "melody.". That's why "melody. song" is the proper disambiguator. I don't know why everyone is so up in arms about this woman's name.—Ryulong (琉竜) 03:38, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

The reasons have been given 7 or 8 times in the RM with a WP:SNOW result to remove the dot. Namely that this person has no presence in English print sources and this is a stylism. In ictu oculi (talk) 04:44, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

• Move to close and suggest this disambiguator follow the singer's article in terms of capitalization and punctuation, which should be decided by RM shortly. --BDD (talk) 16:15, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

  Still should be "melody song" if not "melody. song" according to the exceptions made at will.i.am and k.d. lang.—Ryulong (琉竜) 16:34, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Is that really more important than consistency in titles, as prescribed at WP:CRITERIA? --BDD (talk) 22:25, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

• Oppose. WP doesn't do vanity styling and dropped capitalisations of proper names. -- Ohc ^¡digame!_{¿que pasa?} 03:52, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

  will.i.am, k.d. lang, bell hooks.—Ryulong (琉竜) 06:08, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

• Oppose, but support Love Story (Melody song) per IIO. The singer's title is now Melody (Japanese singer), with a pretty solid consensus behind it. --BDD (talk) 22:36, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

• Believe Me (melody. song)
• Haruka (melody. song)
• Love Story (Melody. song)
• Next to You (melody. song) also require moving per Melody (Japanese singer). In ictu oculi (talk) 04:44, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

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Lower casing

May I ask why the lower case stylization is being forbidden? There's already precedent that other (solo) musical artists whose names are parsed in lower case have this followed on Wikipedia. Why is melody. being made different?—Ryulong (琉竜) 04:52, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

User:Ryulong, the close wording above is a bad case of WP:POINT. You have already asked this question several times at WP:SNOW at Melody (Japanese singer) and been answered several times, including as per 04:44, 23 October 2013 (UTC) above. You don't agree that not being mentioned in Google Books is a reason not to follow an unusual stylism, but that is the answer you have been given, you are welcome to disagree with the answers you have been given, but please cease and desist from claiming that you haven't received answers. In ictu oculi (talk) 05:57, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

I don't see how closing a debate that I opened in a way that goes against my wishes is a violation of WP:POINT and no, no one has given me one damn reason why "melody" cannot be used on Wikipedia when it is the form used in the only sources that we have to establish her notability. That is why I am asking for clarification. Because there is no reason to treat the page of this one musical artist differently from pages by other musical artists that have similar lower case stylings of their stage name. I have no clue what you mean by "not being mentioned in Google Books". There are multiple sources that write her name as "melody." and as the final stop is not being allowed on Wikipedia then that means that "melody" should be perfectly valid instead. Tell me why it cannot be.—Ryulong (琉竜) 06:04, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

User:Ryulong, when I said at 05:57 "the close wording above is a bad case of WP:POINT" it referred to "the close wording above" at 05:57 before you changed it with the above post at 06:04.

By "not being mentioned in Google Books" I mean that Melody is not mentioned in Google Books. "Tell me why it cannot be" the answer is the same as the last 7 8 9 (now how many times) you have asked and been answered; as before because there is just one Japanese English html with melody. and a Korean English html without. These do not constitute sufficient reliable sources, since the singer is not mentioned in Google Books, is not mentioned in reliable English print sources. In ictu oculi (talk) 06:29, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Well that's complete and utter bullshit. It's the same excuse that could be made against her notability, and has in past cases of Japanese musicians' articles on Wikipedia. "She's not mentioned in English language media so she isn't notable for the English Wikipedia", etc. There are sources that refer to her as "melody." and because the full stop is bad that means "melody" should be just as valid as will.i.am is for William James Adams and bell hooks is for Gloria Jean Watkins. And the E. E. Cummings excuse is bullshit because there is constant dispute over he actually wrote his name.—Ryulong (琉竜) 06:35, 23 October 2013 (UTC)