Talk:List of largest palaces

Topkapi

Topkapi most certainly does not have 700,000 square metres of floor space. That is the size of the grounds, most of which are covered with trees. 86.16.249.132 (talk) 18:57, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Agreed. The palace of Madrid is larger in terms of floor area.--76.110.169.129 (talk) 07:30, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

British Houses of Parliament

The British parliament houses are also officially a Royal Residence, even though they were never used for this purpose. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.189.118.246 (talk) 04:11, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Hofburg Palace???

Largest palace in the world by floorspace? but it is a complex of palaces not a single building...--151.46.155.162 (talk) 17:01, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

Potala palace

The Potala palace http://www.chinaculture.org/focus/focus/60PLT/2011-04/29/content_412957.htm is 360,000 sq. metres - surely worthy of a mention? Sswitcher (talk) 20:38, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

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dear, im from germany...

the sizes that are used in the list are not completly right.

the palaces are different struktures

as the biggest in use are the main palace "corp de logis" it hast as part of the most struktures 1/3 of the square feets. 2 other big struktures are the equrie and the marstall which have each 2/7 of the square feets

sometimes in one strukture often not

but

u have often used different sqares for the list...

nearly every main palace of a big ruler in europe incl russian... has a main palace nerby 60.000m² 1/3 and more buildings up to 180.000m² 3/3 some included some not. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.8.126.231 (talk) 08:47, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

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Gyeongbokgung

In the article, it is stated that the palace's area size is 4,657,576 square feet (432,703 square meters). Shouldn't that make it larger than the Forbidden City in terms of the world's largest palace complex? --2001:E68:5435:6B39:489F:A25F:BC05:4560 (talk) 13:45, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

The Forbidden City has 720,000 square meters within the palace walls, which is more than the 432,703 square meters within the walls of the Gyeongbokgung palace complex. The total floor space of the buildings within those palace complexes is much less. I have been unable to find a square footage for the buildings within the walls of Gyeonbokgung. And that total square footage has sometimes changed drastically.

See my answer at: [1]https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-size-of-Gyeongbokgung-Palace-in-comparison-to-the-Forbidden-City-Do-you-think-one-is-bigger-than-the-other-Why-or-why-not/answer/Mark-Golding-10?prompt_topic_bio=1 2601:49:101:5FA0:6D60:4A6A:48B:E547 (talk) 16:37, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Royal Palace of Caserta

The volume and the floor area are not correct because the empty space of the four inner courtyards is considered as a built volume, which is obviously wrong. This can be verified by making a simple calculation based on the external dimensions of the palace and the internal courtyards.
Furthermore, the total floor area must also take into account that many rooms in some parts of the palace occupy 2 or even 3 floors in height, so simply multiplying the building footprint by 5 (number of floors) gives a much higher value than the real one. Probably the 61,000 square meters of the source are more truthful, and the real volume is just over 1 million m³. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Podz00 (talk • contribs) 06:07, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

According to a source in the article "royal palace of caserta", the palace covers an area of 47.000m² and is 36m high. By measuring the palace on google maps, it seems to me that the inner courtyards are included in the 47.000m²(dimensions of the palace are 240m*190m which makes 45.600m²). Every courtyard covers roughly 3750m², all four combined 15.000m². 47.000m²-15.000m² makes 32.000m² of covered ground. The height seems to be correct. 32.000m²*36m makes 1.152.000m³, which is still massive, but not even close to 2.000.000m². 89.183.104.104 (talk) 19:59, 5 December 2020 (UTC)original researcher;)

Exactly! Just a few clarifications: the palace is 249 m * 190 m, the courtyards around 4000-4300 m³ (measured with Google Earth), and the height is 42 m including the roof (a pitched roof, therefore 39 m of average height) . However, the calculation of the total volume does not differ much from yours.
Estimating the floor area is more complex because some rooms occupy several floors in height (for example the theater, the chapel and the throne room), but making a rough calculation it can be assumed that it is almost certainly less than 150,000 m². --Podz00 (talk) 23:34, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

The measurements of the Royal Palace of Caserta appear wrong

The Royal Palace of Caserta is in twenty-third place because a measure of 61,000 square meters is indicated. But the official website indicates a surface area of ​​about 47,000 square meters for a height of 5 floors equal to 36 linear meters. https://reggiadicaserta.cultura.gov.it/palazzo-reale/ So why is 61,000 square meters indicated in the ranking? Is there an official website that indicates it? Is there a site that indicates how it was calculated? I have not found this measure on official sites. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Attivissimo (talk • contribs) 11:10, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

I partially gave the answer in the discussion above: the surface area reported on the official website refers to the area occupied by the building (footprint) including the internal courtyards, which do not contribute to the total floor area, so you should calculate more or less 30,000 m2 of surface multiplied by 5 floors. The point is that some floors cannot be included because they are not habitable (mezzanines, attics, open galleries on the ground floor), and others are not even there because many large rooms occupy 2 floors in height.

The source taken as a reference is the one in the list: https://issuu.com/caponeeditore/docs/reggiadicaserta.

Keep in mind that in order to draw up the list, the most easily verifiable parameter (total floor area) had to be chosen, which however does not really give the idea of the size of a building, given instead by the volume, as in this case. --Podz00 (talk) 17:14, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

But why is this source taken for a reliable source? https://issuu.com/caponeeditore/docs/reggiadicaserta I see that the booklet in question lists some data without indicating the sources. It is not an official text. It is not clear where the data that this text lists comes from. Attivissimo (talk) 15:05, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

@Attivissimo: In the absence of official sources, the most reliable one is used. It is not an anonymous blog, it is a publishing house that has been producing historical books and tourist guides for more than forty years, it is assumed that a minimum of verification has been done. --Podz00 (talk) 18:16, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

General Ization, you could have at least joined the discussion before editing the page. --Podz00 (talk) 19:20, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

@Podz00: My edit was to revert an IPsock who was editing in violation of a block (and who has also not participated in the discussion). I take no position on the content; that is up to you and other editors to figure out here. General Ization ^Talk 19:30, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

It was not my intention to violate wikipedia rules. I noticed a discussion on the matter late. I have noted that the sources taken into consideration are completely tourist and not scientific. The data is questionable from a mathematical point of view.--151.35.133.23 (talk) 19:56, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

@151.35.133.23: As I said the publishing house is not unknown. The same data (61000 m2) is also displayed on the official Facebook page of the Campania region.

The official page of the palace refers only to the "building footprint" with the courtyards (47000 m2 ≈ 247 m * 190 m).

I have already explained above why rough calculations based simply on the number of floors cannot be taken into account. --Podz00 (talk) 20:30, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

@General Ization: Ok, but I saw that you also edited previous parts, that's why I mentioned you. --Podz00 (talk) 20:30, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

@Podz00: I think you're misreading the edit history. I had only made one edit at the article (more recently than 18 December 2018) at the time you posted the message above, and that was the above-mentioned revert. General Ization ^Talk 21:07, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

@General Ization: Sorry 🙏 I was confused by the description of the revision you gave and by the flood of edits. I will restore the entry later if no one has any further remarks here about it. --Podz00 (talk) 22:26, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

From the book by Cesare de Seta (Italian) it is clear that the royal palace of Caserta is spread over 10 levels and that 5 are mainly habitable floors.--151.47.92.112 (talk) 22:53, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

@151.47.92.112: From the cross-sections it does not seem like this, however if the book provides some specific data/measurement (which cannot be just the number of floors) you can insert it by indicating the book as the source, otherwise I would stick to those previously chosen --Podz00 (talk) 23:16, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

Requested move 9 November 2022

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The result of the move request was moved to List of the world's largest palaces (non-admin closure) This cowboy's running from myself (talk) 08:59, 13 November 2022‎

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World's largest palace → List of palaces claimed to be the world's largest – reflects the article more clearly This cowboy's running from myself (talk) 09:38, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

• Weak oppose. Though the list does take up a good bit of the article, on the surface this appears to be an article with a long list in it. Rreagan007 (talk) 22:42, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
• Support. If anything, this is necessary to avoid example farming. Right now anyone can add a palace they believe to be large and it will technically be within the scope. Best to limit it to palaces that sources have specifically claimed to be (among) the largest. This cowboy's running from myself (talk) 08:44, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
• Support. The article admits to being a list. It also lists multiple palaces so the singular title "world's largest palace" is invalid. It can remain as a redirect though. JIP | Talk 00:19, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
• Move to List of the world's largest palaces - Clearly the page is a list, and this title avoids WP:CLAIM problems. Might also be better to just merge with List of palaces into a "Largest palaces" section. This cowboy's running from myself (talk) 06:35, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

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Note: The RM was closed by the nominator themselves, after only 4 days. The nominator was then indef blocked on 16 November 2022 as a sockpuppet. (I have struck through the nominator's comments above per WP:DENY.) The renaming was then reverted and there was an AfD discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/World's largest palace, which was closed on 4 December 2022 saying "Procedural close. Nominator keeps disrupting own AFD and everyone else is keep or leaning keep. This seems like a waste of time." The article was WP:BOLDly moved a couple of times, ending up at List of largest palaces on 4 December 2022. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 23:00, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

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The result of the move request was: Not moved. (non-admin closure) Adumbrativus (talk) 06:16, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

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List of largest palaces → List of the largest palaces – superlative words needs the article "the". Previous AfD was moved to List of the world's largest palaces, but was moved to List of largest palaces, and instead of using the article "the". Should we move this article? 223.255.225.227 (talk) 05:04, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

• Weak oppose: I disagree that including the is necessary, and Wikipedia has lots of "List of largest X" article titles. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 07:26, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
• oppose why?—blindlynx 22:50, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose It maybe better nominated for deletion, as the list is very incomplete, and just delete it 116.206.28.50 (talk) 14:50, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

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"Large" should be about volume

Skyscrapers are compared by their height, but palaces should be measured primarily by their volume and only secondly by their floor-space. And the volume should be that of the single structure, not a complex of several distinct buildings which got added in the time-span of often centuries. Can anyone at least add this information by adding a table column "volume"? Thanks. 2A07:3D01:102:A900:FC4B:636F:E6E4:257C (talk) 16:23, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

That is a category-masquerading-as-an-article. It was nominated for deletion in January 23, 2023. MarkisMysoe (talk) 14:16, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

Palaces of Samarra

The Abbasid palaces of Samarra were the largest in the Islamic world, and some of the largest ever in human history.

In 836, al-Mu'tasim built the 125 ha (309 acres) Qasr al-Khalifa as the principal public palace and private residence of the new Abbasid capital of Samarra, serving this function until its abandonment in 892. Then in 859 al-Mutawakkil constructed the al-Jafari Palace, as an even grander replacement for the Qasr al-Khalifa at a staggering 211 ha (521 acres). A mere 2 years later it served as the place of his assassination and start of the Anarchy.

https://whc.unesco.org/document/168924

and https://www.academia.edu/74387549/The_Palaces_of_the_Abbasids_at_Samarra Wakobear (talk) 17:54, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

Westminster Palace

Why isn't it in the list? After all it's 112,476 m2. --2A00:23C4:AA1D:4A01:B04B:C7C0:7278:20AD (talk) 15:30, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

I suppose because the current palace has always served as the seat of parliament and not as a royal residence. Podz00 (talk) 19:38, 1 March 2024 (UTC)