Talk:List of companies of Israel

Notable firms - cleanup needed

IMHO, this list should only contain notable firms, that ought to have a wikipedia article. So articles deleted as being non-notable should not have an entry here. Please read: Wikipedia is not a directory. Thanks. --Edcolins 23:28, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

That's not WP policy. Pleae read WP:LISTV. Cleanup should always warranted, but if a company is verifiable, then it's list material. especially when it not might be notable for its own article. --Shuki 00:05, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your message. IMHO, the list should include a criteria for inclusion. It doesn't. See Always include criteria. --Edcolins 21:07, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Agree completely. --Shuki 16:33, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

On 25.06.07 I edited the list of Israeli companies to add Orthocrat Ltd. Unfortunately it was edited out. Can the editor explain to me why this Israeli manufacturer and exporter of medical imaging software does not meet the criterion for inclusion in the list? 212.143.139.40 05:13, 26 June 2007 (UTC) 26.06.07

This article contains many errors, Since when did Microsoft became an Israeli company ? :S —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.244.49.40 (talk • contribs)

I think that 'Microsoft Israel' is a seperate legal entity in Israel. --Shuki 19:53, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

I've removed all list entries that have neither a wikipedia article or provide any reference for WP:V or WP:N (and, btw, WP:NOT is a WP policy). I also suggest relisting by something other than alphabetical order; at the moment it is just duplicating the function of a category. Marasmusine 08:46, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

IMO, the cleanup was definitely not the way to go. The result is a redundant article. The article is problematic. Many companies are NN, but most others are well known. I suggest merely sampling a few articles here: Category:Lists of companies by country and tell if the Israeli article is any different. --Shuki 21:09, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

They're all pretty bad, with a few exceptions. List of Singapore companies is well maintained. List of Canadian companies is what I would describe as the minimum standard. It is not our function to list every single company, and WP:Verifiability still applies to lists. Please reconsider your revert in accordance with our policies. Marasmusine 21:28, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Like I said, most companies are N and very verifiable. This list is not one of my priorities right now, but this does not warrant a mass blanking. Maybe all the lists should be afd? But as long as they are still here, I don't see why the Israeli article should be singled out. --Shuki 23:01, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

I haven't singled it out, I'm working my way though a lot of them. The Israeli list is in a particularly appalling state though. If a company is both verifiable and notable, a stub article can be made for it with references and assertion of notability and then added to this list. An AfD isn't necessary if the unverified material is removed. At the moment, it reads like a business directory rather than a navigation tool. Marasmusine 08:01, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Cleanup revised

I've removed firms that do not appear to be Israeli, but my changed have been reverted wholesale, so I'll move the discussion here.

• Amdocs was founded and is currently headquarted in the USA.
• BigBand Networks is headquarted is USA, and is a subsidiary of a USA firm.
• Freescale Semiconductor is headquarterd in Austin and the article indicates no connection to Isreal.
• Marvell Technology Group is a Californian company.
• Mercury Interactive is a Californian company and now part of HP.
• Metacafe is a Californian company.
• NetManage is a former Californian compant now owned by a British firm.
• Panorama Software is a Canadian company.
• Perrigo is an american firm.
• Radcom is a British magazine. I changed this to point to Radcom Ltd, which is an Isreali firm, but this was reverted.
• Verint Systems is an American firm.
• Zoran Corporation is a defunct american firm.

Additionally, there are several obviously non-Israeli firms which appear to have divisions in the country. The links direct back to the parent and do not appear to be separately notable. If they are notable, an separate legal entities, I would propose we create articles for them.

• HSBC Israel
• Intel Israel
• Microsoft Israel
• Motorola Israel
• NDS Technologies Israel Ltd.
• SAP Israel

There are also two defunct companies whose assets are now owned by non-israeli entities. I would propose moving them to a separate "defunct" section (as some other lists do), or simply removing them.

• Aladdin Knowledge Systems is defunct as an entity and the assets are now headquartered in the USA.
• Shopping.com is defunct; now owned by a Californian company.

If there is some position that a certain level of presence in a country qualifies the firm as a part of that county, then it would be advisable to set a clear trigger for inclusion. Kuru (talk) 13:27, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

I think that many of those cos are considered Israeli even though they are officially HQ'd elsewhere, or have since been acquired by larger cos yet still leaving a major footprint in the country as a subsidiary. I suggest a footnote of some sort as well as consensus built to create a proper guideline in this case. Right now, there is no V criteria. --Shuki (talk) 19:28, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Agreed, establishing criteria is the question. I've been digging through many of these "List of companies of x" articles to clean them up; I was mainly concerned about non-notable entities and external links. This article was in great shape in that regard. As far as what is a "company of x", that seems open to interpretation. The Forbes Global 2000 simply uses the primary headquarters to determine the "country" of the multinational; this may be too black and white and leave out, as you note, companies with a sizable footprint or impact on the subject country. Here's a different version of the list above, dropping the "headquartered" view and examining the Israel connection:

1. No relation indicated.

• Freescale Semiconductor
• Radcom, presumably meant Radcom Ltd?

2. Firm of another country; branch or small ops in Israel (1-20%)

• Perrigo founded and still located in U.S.; sales in Israel?
• Zoran Corporation defunct, only had branch in Israel along with many others.

3. Firm of another country; significant operations in Israel (20-50%)

• BigBand Networks
• Verint Systems
• Panorama Software founded in Israel, moved to Canada. How much is still in Israel?

4. Founded in Israel; now a multi-national headquarted in another country.

• Amdocs
• Metacafe

5. Significant firm of another country; named or semi-indepdendent branch in Israel

• Marvell Technology Group (5%), was this supposed to be Marvell Software Solutions Israel?
• HSBC Israel
• Intel Israel
• Microsoft Israel
• Motorola Israel
• NDS Technologies Israel Ltd.
• SAP Israel

6. Defunct; assets bought by another company; no indepdendent identity

• NetManage
• Mercury Interactive large R&D facility? all links dead; this seems defunct and part of HP now

My initial thoughts would be to drop/correct categories 1 & 2, keep 3 & 4 and annotate the Israeli connection, create articles for notable entities in 5, and keep 6 but move them to a separate section of the page for "defunct" companies. Thoughts? Kuru (talk) 00:37, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

kuru - this is a good idea, but let's try to correct the first two before we drop them. Soosim (talk) 08:06, 31 January 2012 (UTC)