Talk:List of city nicknames and slogans in Canada

Titles/ nicknames must be referenced

Please ensure that any additions to the page are referenced. If they are not referenced then please remove them immediately. This will help prevent the spread of questionable entries here. Thanks, Hu Gadarn (talk) 19:56, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

That seems excessive. There are many cities with nicknames so common giving refs to them is pointless. TO, for example, is one of the most well known Canadian city nicknames and you deleted it. If you have not heard that before, you should not be the one deciding what's in this article or not as you are clearly not familiar enough with the topic. And if that's the case, you should be adding "citation needed" tags, not deleting things. This list is ridiculously underpopulated because of this citation policy being applied so rigorously. I understand the sentiment, but without some leeway this list will never improve. TastyCakes (talk) 16:48, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

• Good day TasyCakes and thanks for contributing.
  • The reason for requiring referenced titles is based on a series of previous similar articles; in many cases thezse articles ultimately collapsed on themselves (i.e. were entirely deleted) because they became filled with so many entries of questionable value (e.g. "Bill's Town"). Asking for references is a way to ensure that the entries are legit and not something used by a small group or clique. You raise the issue of TO as being common in Canada for Toronto. Presumably it'd be easy to find a reference for it then? I don't mean to be sarcastic but this page will degenerate quickly if references are not required.
  • In addition, i've removed the explanatory text because it causes the article to become unecessarily large. If people are interested in an explanation (and many will not be) then they can access the reference.
  • In good faith, I will not simply undo your recent revision (as you have done to mine). I look forward to your thoughts. Thanks, Hu Gadarn (talk) 21:59, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Well first you did undo a number of my recent revisions, and unlike when I removed stuff from the page you seemed unwilling to do even a cursory Google search or something similar to check on them. That would seem to be part of the whole good faith thing to me... Second when I undid your "recent revision" it was because you'd deleted a big chunk of content, not because you'd added something I didn't like. As far as removing uncited information, all right I will grant you all of the names should eventually have a citation. But it is pretty easy to spot the vandals in a list like this - for example, "vagina" is not a common nickname for Regina or the "Swirling Vortex" for Medicine Hat, the list is still small enough for common sense to guide these things. Many of these nicknames are listed in the pages for the cities in question without any reference. Why are people not being anal about referencing them there?

As far as having a brief explanation of the name, what is the big deal? It makes the list more useful and interesting for the reader and since there are only a handful of names to begin with, it's hardly as if there's a lot of clutter. The references do not always explain the name, or not with complete context. If the list ends up getting unwieldy and super long, like the American nicknames article, then sure, but when there's so few cities?

And finally, as for Toronto being known as T.O., it's in the Name of Toronto article and doesn't have a direct reference. I will add the reference it does have. TastyCakes (talk) 01:19, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Explanatory text

Is there a reason you're removing explanatory text? Also, although the swirling vortex one does seem a little unusual, the Rudyard Kipling one is what I would consider a well known nickname for Medicine Hat. Again, why are you deleting things without marking them for citation first? TastyCakes (talk) 20:40, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Cambridge -- wrong "Tri-City" definition

No, I believe it is because Cambridge was formed by the amalgamation of the following former towns: Galt, Preston & Hespeler. But I am not 100% certain so I am not going to change it. It would be nice if somebody looked into it.

Btw, does it even make sense that Cambridge's title of "Tri-City" is in reference to: "..the adjacent cities of Kitchener, Waterloo and Cambridge.."? How can Cambridge be adjacent to itself? And if you were referring to Kitchener, Waterloo and Cambridge, wouldn't the Tri-City title be applied to the metro area, and not an individual city? Just sayin'..
--Atikokan (talk) 22:32, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

Long after the fact, but I agree. The source is referring to the region, not to the individual cities. That makes as little sense as saying that "The Windsor-Quebec Corridor" is a nickname for Toronto, Montreal, etc. I'm removing the Tri-City nickname. Meters (talk) 19:40, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Recent addition of unreferenced nicknames and use of unreliable sources

This article was carpet bombed on April 26 by numerous IPs with unreferenced nickname entries, which I reverted. Numerous IPs subsequently re-added some and added new ones, some again without references, while others were supported with references that do not appear to be reliable sources (blogs, forums, and social networking sites are being used among others). I have reverted again, and added {{subst:uw-unsourced1}} tags to the talk pages of the various IPs. I would appreciate the assistance of other watchers to monitor this article over the next while in case there are subsequent surges.

This is only the tip of the iceberg though in the article overall. There is a severe lack of references throughout the article. Like the ones recently added, some of the existing references in the article may not be reliable sources either. There may also be undue weight placed on some nicknames as well. For example, a nickname of Edmonton is not "Canada's most Canadian city" just because a news article closed with those four words (I deleted this entry last year).

Short of boldly deleting all remaining unreferenced entries, and all remaining entries based on unreliable sources, does anyone have any suggestions on how to engage our watchers or the community to improve this article from its current unfortunate state? Hwy43 (talk) 05:45, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

I don't think you're entirely sure what a nickname is. If a name has been used as a nickname, even once, in passing or as a joke, it is a nickname. This is not a list of nicknames that have been used by prominent public figures, or nicknames that have been cited in literature. it is a list of all nicknames. If you want to engage watchers of the community, stopping your reversion war is a good start. This is a pretty silly list. Instead of deleting other people's submissions, find a reference for them! If someone has submitted a nickname, it has been used as a nickname. 216.252.75.31 (talk) 12:21, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Because of the demand that all lists be cited, it's meant that all material now on here is mostly civic mottos and tag-lines/brandings and that's not all that a nickname is; not sobriquets but what people call the places. Items that are in the BC list below are well-known but finding them in "reliable sources" is hunt and peck for e.g. letters to the editor in local papers. Only rarely will they show in media or any other published source. But they're real, some are very old like "Billy's Puddle" for "Williams Lake", and referring to that city as "the Lake" is also common in the region, same with just called 100 Mile House, "100 Mile" ("hundred mile" not "one hundred mile")...or Prince George as "PG" or "Prince" or Prince Rupert as "Rupert".Skookum1 (talk) 02:19, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

needed on list, no time to ref research

Just noting many in BC that have common nicknames; slogans and rotating titles (e.g. Logging Capital of BC) not included, but most are well-known and in wide use; cites are out there, I don't have time to look 'em up or fill out templates:\

• Williams Lake, British Columbia - Willy's Puddle, Billy's Puddle, "the Lake"
• Lillooet, British Columbia - "BC's Little Nugget", "Mile 0" (also "Mile 0 of the Cariboo Road"), local slang Lillywet
• Prince George, British Columbia - "Prince" or "PG", also I think Queen City of the North, also I think Hub City of the North
• Nanaimo - "the Hub City"
• Prince Rupert, British Columbia - "Rupert"
• Richmond, British Columbia - "the Garden City", old slang "Ditchland" (because of all the ditches)
• Abbotsford, British Columbia - "Abby", so common I'm amazed it's not on here yet (unless it is?)
• Chilliwack, British Columbia - "Chillywack"
• Cache Creek, British Columbia - "Cash Crick" (regional slang)
• Maple Ridge, British Columbia - "the Ridge" and in slang "Maple Ditch"
• Kelowna - "K-town"
• Penticton - "Pen"
• Port Coquitlam = "Poco"....when with Coquitlam and Port Moody, the usage "PoCoMo" is often seen at least in print media; these are also known as the Tri-Cities
• Fort Langley, British Columbia = "the Fort"
• there's more, this is just a shortlist.

Skookum1 (talk) 05:55, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

Harshone recently alphabetized the other editor's list above but in doing so added a new entry. I've reverted but have added the addition below on behalf of Harshone instead.

• Surrey, British Columbia - ""Future Lives Here"

Cheers, Hwy43 (talk) 07:18, 18 November 2016 (UTC)

Halifax

Are there any reliable sources showing that "Hali" and "The Fax" are used as nicknames? Meters (talk) 18:11, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

This source (which I think is reliable) states "Hali, and The Fax do not count, but they just don’t cut it." It's a magazine company (can be reliable) that held a contest for a Halifax nickname and by stating "Hali" and "The Fax" don't cut it implies they are too generic in common use. Yes, this may be an assumption, but it is probably the likely one. @NovaBrunswick: Do you know if this is a correct assumption or if you have any other sources? Thanks. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 18:27, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

That source is not reliable. In effect "Spacing" is a blog which virtually anyone can contribute to. It is moderated, but it is still nothing but a user-generated blog. In this case it is a seven-year-old blog posting which asking for suggestions for nicknames, and which received very little response.

Even if it were a reliable source, it's not at all clear that whoever wrote that was claiming that "Hali" or "The Fax" are nicknames in use rather than just such obvious contractions that they would not be considered as valid entries in the contest to choose a nickname. I certainly never heard either of them when I lived in Halifax. Meters (talk) 18:55, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

I would think the site as a whole is decently reliable, but maybe you're right about this being more of a blog post. Those nicknames just seem to be so obvious that they would be ones; maybe just no sources. If I lived there I would definitely use Hali, just like they use Cali in California.Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 19:04, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

See WP:USERGENERATED Spacing is a collaboratively user-generated site and there is no indication for this post that "the content was authored by, and is credited to, credentialed members of the site's editorial staff", thus this posting is not a reliable source. Again, even if it were reliable, we don't publish stuff based on editor's assumptions about what is meant. We need reliable sources that unequivocally show that these nicknames are real. Meters (talk) 19:13, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

That's understandable. Let's see if NovaBrunswick can provide any better sources. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 19:26, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

"Hali" and "The Fax" just seem to be simple shortenings of the name "Halifax" used as nicknames @Vaselineeeeeeee:. Would shortenings of a place name technically count as nicknames, as they are with people's names - like 'Andy' for 'Andrew' or 'Dan' for 'Daniel'? NovaBrunswick 08:48, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

@NovaBrunswick: I would think so. Variations can be seen such as T-Bay for Thunder Bay or Tampa Bay, or T.O for Toronto, Cali for California (Although List of U.S. state nicknames doesn't list "Cali" as one of California's nicknames...). Probably a lack of reliable sources. So if we can't find another source other than the perhaps unreliable one I listed above, the two nicknames for Halifax in question are likely off the table. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 13:28, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

Dartmouth

I've heard Dartmouth being nicknamed the "Dirty D", though only by this Tumblr blog. Would that make it a contender for one of Dartmouth's nicknames? --NovaBrunswick 19:24, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

The link is "fuckyeahdartmouth.tumblr.com" hahah... Yeah, probably not, as Meters pointed out, we need reliable sources, not self made blogs. Even though it may be a nickname, we can't use it without reliable sources. Also the reason why the nicknames of the Fax and Hali I added should not be included. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 19:28, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

Possibly for the same reason I don't hear Dartmouth being called "D-Town" or "The D" - these nicknames could be used by just one person, so they're not really eminent. --NovaBrunswick 23:21, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

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