Talk:List of Fringe characters

Elizabeth Bishop

Isn't she separated from Walternate in the alternate universe? Walternate was seen with a misstress at least.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Irregularcog (talk • contribs) 06:53, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

David Robert Jones = David Bowie (?)

David Robert Jones is the same name as performer David Bowie. Possible plot device?

Probably not and even if it were, we'd need third party sources to say so first. --Jackieboy87 (talk · contribs) 14:10, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

I'd say it's more of an easter egg type thing rather than a plot point. THe show is known for it's hidden images and codes.Sch-u740 (talk) 01:44, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Easter egg definitely. Another character, Thomas Jerome Newton, is named after Bowie's alien in Nicholas Roeg's The Man Who Fell to Earth. Λεξικόφιλος (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 06:45, 27 May 2010 (UTC).

Tertiary

I am going to eliminate the tertiary characters and merge it into the secondary characters section. section seeing as Loeb, Jones, and The Observer all have about the same importance as the characters in the secondary section. Loeb is obviously involved in a bigger conspiracy with Jones, and the Observer had an entire episode heavily featuring him (The Arrival) as did Jones and Loeb (In Which We Meet Mr. Jones). Sch-u740 (talk) 01:44, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Observer List

Perhaps the list could be moved elsewhere until it is complete/cleaned up?Sch-u740 (talk) 14:40, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Right, I've reverted. I'm not even sure if this is appropriate for an encyclopedia article. Seems more suited for a fan wiki. –xeno (talk) 14:53, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

I don't see any need for the list to be there to begin with listing where the observer appeared in an episode is the same as listing where any other character appeared. It just needs to be removed in full. Hda3ku (talk) 14:56, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

No Peter?

He is a main character and yet he is not here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by David13579 (talk • contribs) 04:17, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

My bad, fixed. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 04:45, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Robert Bishop

In the episode The Arrival we see a tombstone for a man named Robert Bishop located at the spot where the artifact was temporary buried by Walter Bishop. Has there been any mention as to who this man is? Walter's uncle? The man cannot be his father due to his death being two years prior to Walter's birth. The tombstone reads that the man died young on December 11, 1944. There is really nothing significant about that date -it takes place four days before the Battle of the Bulge and six days before the infamous Malmedy massacre. It was insinuated by the character John Mosley that the man was at least of limited importance (Maybe I am looking too much into it). Perhaps he was involved in a certain project. Mdriver1981 (talk) 23:52, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Charlie from the dead?

Umm just saw episode 11/12 of season 2...and somehow Charlie Francis is still alive...I thought they killed the shapeshifter...and I thought the real Charlie got killed by the shapeshifter and his body was dumped into the furnace in episode 2 of season 2... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tuberq (talk • contribs) 00:24, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

"Unearthed" is a holdover episode from the first season, i.e. it was produced as part of season one, but did not fit in with either the schedule or storyline and was held back to season two. --Jackieboy87 (talk · contribs) 05:17, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Charlie is alive in the B-universe, as well... 76.66.193.119 (talk) 11:23, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Presentation of B-universe characters

Yes, in their universe their "legal" names are still "Olivia Dunham" and "Walter Bishop" but I think for clarity the current presentation is ideal. It gives the nicknames (that they are called both off the show by producers/directors/actors and on the show in the closed captioning and by the prime characters) as the descriptor and then later in the sentence says what their actual name is when comparing them to the prime universe. Otherwise we are going to have two line items that start with Olivia Dunham, two line items that start with Walter Bishop, etc. –xeno^talk 20:28, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Maybe some explanation would help here

Fringe's characters are confusing, and the current copy expressing… surprise, for a lack of better term… at the effects of the timeline change leaves a lot to be desired. It somehow makes it even more confusing.

Would adding something to the lead like this help?

Each character in Fringe has up to four variations:

- Prime universe, first timeline: These are the main characters of Fringe, and the only ones show from the start of season 1 until near the end of season 2.

- Alternate universe, first timeline: These are the "over there" characters of Fringe, shown in detail starting at the end of season 2.

- Prime universe, alternate timeline: The main characters of Fringe, with different histories after a time line change in the season 3 finale.

- Alternate universe, alternate timeline: The "over there" characters of Fringe, with different histories after a time line change in the season 3 finale.

We could be more specific about the timeline change here, too. I'm not set on this, but I think some explanation of the classes of characters in the lead would help immensely. Any thoughts? --Steven Fisher (talk) 05:06, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

—— I Agree ——

A section in the article about the existence of the 4 variations would be a good idea, for clarity and accuracy's sake. I also think there's a need for some tidying-up of how we refer to these variations in the rest of the article, and in other Fringe-related articles. If we can establish a protocol in this article it could be applied more consistently to other Fringe articles.

I've noticed an uptick in the fandom use of the title-sequence background color as a way to delineate what "version" is being dealt with - blue for the Original Prime Universe where Peter exists (Seasons 1 & 2), red for the Original Alternate (Seasons 2 &3), amber for the Readjusted Prime and Alternate Universes where Peter did not exist, and black/dark for the Original Future (Season 3, Ep 22) and the Readjusted Future (Season 4, Ep 19). People are refering to "Blue" timelines and "Amber" timelines, calling them Amber Timeline Walternate vs. Red Timeline Walternate, and Blue Timeline Astrid vs. 2026 Astrid.

I propose, if it wouldn't be too outlandish, that we adopt a practice from fanfiction that uses "!" as a delineator for alternate universe versions of canon characters. Couldn't we apply labels like Amber!Bell or Red!Broyles for characters who don't already have a nickname that we recognize, like Fauxlivia and Walternate? If there were, perhaps, an agreed-upon protocol for !labels based on the character trajectories, we could simplify the writing process and the syntax by using nicknames where it makes sense and !labels for other distinctions. I also presume that this syntax is recongnized by most of the fandom. So I propose that

-Blue!Characters are those from the first 2 seasons before the introduction of characters from the alternate universe.

-Red!Characters are those from the 2nd and 3rd seasons before the resolution of the Peter Bishop anomaly

-Amber!Characters are those in the 4th season from both universes after Peter is erased and returns

-Alternate universe characters without nicknames in the adjusted timeline could be Amber!AltCharacter, like Amber!AltNina or Amber!AltBroyles.

-Peter is always that anomaly where he is actually the same self in all timelines, so technically he's just "Peter", but to differentiate between the two different versions of the future, the date could be used, eg. 2026!Peter vs 2036!Peter, where one aged and the other was ambered.

-The "real" future we'll see in Season 5 is, ostensibly, the linear progression of the "current" Amber timeline from 2012 to 2036. Unless Season 5 has flashbacks or backstory episodes, these !labels are only necessary for distinctions made in character descriptions for past seasons.

Of course this point is moot if the !label is considered inappropriate for this context - it's possible that this could create confusion in the fanfic world. I just think that, syntactically, this is a less cumbersome way of writing out all the character variations. Perhaps "!" could be replaced with "\" or "*" to be distinct from fanfiction modes. Tinkerbill (talk) 20:54, 4 July 2012 (UTC)tinkerbill

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