Talk:Lemon drop

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Requested move 24 April 2016 Edit

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The result of the move request was: Lemon drop moved to Lemon drop (candy), no consensus for other moves. Created a redirect from Lemon drop (confectionery) to Lemon drop (candy). (non admin closure) InsertCleverPhraseHere 05:37, 9 May 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Not very visible in Google Books that the distinction between "d" for the sweet and "D" for the cocktail, but here "d" is consistently maintained. In ictu oculi (talk) 12:29, 24 April 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Support – treating the cocktail as primarytopic seems like a stretch. Disambiguation is good. Dicklyon (talk) 04:00, 25 April 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Move Lemon drop to Lemon drop (candy), don't move other pages. Search results and page views show that the cocktail is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for "lemon drop" in any capitalization. SSTflyer 07:27, 25 April 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose, current setup seem fine - "LD" leading to the drink, "Ld" to the sweet/candy, and both having a hatnote which picks out the other as a specifically-likely alternative and then points to the dab page. PamD 08:49, 25 April 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support I don't see why cocktails are considered proper nouns, they're just another food, like the candy. -- (talk) 12:18, 26 April 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose. This never-ending fixation with Google Books never ceases to amaze me, IIO. Capitals actually can work as sufficient dabs, you know. Unreal7 (talk) 11:49, 29 April 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support. The candy is just as likely as the cocktail to be capitalized (or not capitalized) -- it is a brand name for Brach's Lemon Drops and perhaps others. olderwiser 12:31, 29 April 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support mostly all - but please not "(candy)" - that identifier is not used except in North America. Move Lemon dropLemon drop (confectionery), similar to Skittles (confectionery). Other than that caveat, either of the products can be capitalised or not, and neither is primary.  — Amakuru (talk) 13:43, 2 May 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support Lemon drop (candy), oppose moving the cocktail. I agree with SSTflyer that the drink appears to be the common name of capitalized Lemon Drop.--Cúchullain t/c 14:05, 2 May 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Why "candy"? Is the term "confectionery" not used in the USA? I'm thinking this would be better using a WP:WORLDWIDE term and also matching Skittles (confectionery). Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 14:58, 2 May 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]
"Confectionery" is a fairly obscure or esoteric term in North America, and my understanding is that it doesn't mean the same thing as "candy" - candy is one type of "confectionary". I doubt anyone in the US or Canada would refer to a lemon drop as a "confectionery". As this is a North American invention I don't think "candy" will be a problem. IMO Skittles (confectionery) is also misnamed; at any rate there's no consistency in how sweets are disambiguated on Wikipedia (ie here), and "(candy)" is commonly used.--Cúchullain t/c 15:19, 2 May 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Per the article, "Lemon drops originated in England".
wikt:candy: sweet-tasting confectionery or a piece of confectionery. synonyms: confectionery, sweets (British), lollies (Australia)
wikt:confectionary: foodstuffs that taste very sweet, taken as a group; candies. synonyms: candy (US), sweets (UK)
It's hard to distinguish the difference between candy and confectionery; these articles look like content forks to me.
So, in evaluating this for close, it seems impossible to choose a parenthetical disambiguation without simply counting votes or tossing a coin. wbm1058 (talk) 02:36, 4 May 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hmm, my impression was they were invented in the US and popularized by the Army. But the England claim is cited here.--Cúchullain t/c 03:03, 4 May 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Move discussion in progress Edit

There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Lemon drop (candy) which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. -- Netoholic @ 06:50, 14 April 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]