Talk:Lemon drop

Requested move 24 April 2016

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The result of the move request was: Lemon drop moved to Lemon drop (candy), no consensus for other moves. Created a redirect from Lemon drop (confectionery) to Lemon drop (candy). (non admin closure)  InsertCleverPhraseHere  05:37, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

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• Lemon Drop (disambiguation) → Lemon Drop
• Lemon Drop → Lemon Drop (cocktail)
• Lemon drop → Lemon drop (candy)

– Not very visible in Google Books that the distinction between "d" for the sweet and "D" for the cocktail, but here "d" is consistently maintained. In ictu oculi (talk) 12:29, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

• Support – treating the cocktail as primarytopic seems like a stretch. Disambiguation is good. Dicklyon (talk) 04:00, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
• Move Lemon drop to Lemon drop (candy), don't move other pages. Search results and page views show that the cocktail is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for "lemon drop" in any capitalization. SSTflyer 07:27, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
• Oppose, current setup seem fine - "LD" leading to the drink, "Ld" to the sweet/candy, and both having a hatnote which picks out the other as a specifically-likely alternative and then points to the dab page. PamD 08:49, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
• Support I don't see why cocktails are considered proper nouns, they're just another food, like the candy. -- 70.51.46.195 (talk) 12:18, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
• Oppose. This never-ending fixation with Google Books never ceases to amaze me, IIO. Capitals actually can work as sufficient dabs, you know. Unreal7 (talk) 11:49, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
• Support. The candy is just as likely as the cocktail to be capitalized (or not capitalized) -- it is a brand name for Brach's Lemon Drops and perhaps others. older ≠ wiser 12:31, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
• Support mostly all - but please not "(candy)" - that identifier is not used except in North America. Move Lemon drop → Lemon drop (confectionery), similar to Skittles (confectionery). Other than that caveat, either of the products can be capitalised or not, and neither is primary.  — Amakuru (talk) 13:43, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
• Support Lemon drop (candy), oppose moving the cocktail. I agree with SSTflyer that the drink appears to be the common name of capitalized Lemon Drop.--Cúchullain ^t/c 14:05, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

  Why "candy"? Is the term "confectionery" not used in the USA? I'm thinking this would be better using a WP:WORLDWIDE term and also matching Skittles (confectionery). Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 14:58, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

"Confectionery" is a fairly obscure or esoteric term in North America, and my understanding is that it doesn't mean the same thing as "candy" - candy is one type of "confectionary". I doubt anyone in the US or Canada would refer to a lemon drop as a "confectionery". As this is a North American invention I don't think "candy" will be a problem. IMO Skittles (confectionery) is also misnamed; at any rate there's no consistency in how sweets are disambiguated on Wikipedia (ie here), and "(candy)" is commonly used.--Cúchullain ^t/c 15:19, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

Per the article, "Lemon drops originated in England".

wikt:candy: sweet-tasting confectionery or a piece of confectionery. synonyms: confectionery, sweets (British), lollies (Australia)

wikt:confectionary: foodstuffs that taste very sweet, taken as a group; candies. synonyms: candy (US), sweets (UK)

It's hard to distinguish the difference between candy and confectionery; these articles look like content forks to me.

So, in evaluating this for close, it seems impossible to choose a parenthetical disambiguation without simply counting votes or tossing a coin. wbm1058 (talk) 02:36, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

Hmm, my impression was they were invented in the US and popularized by the Army. But the England claim is cited here.--Cúchullain ^t/c 03:03, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

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