Talk:Karl Dürrge

Medical terms review

Drahreg01 Thank you for offering to help with the review of medical terms.

• In the article, I wrote "there was no opening on the tip [of the phallus-like structure] and the urethra was located at its base in the pudendal cleft." Is this medically accurate based on: "Sie hatte einen an der Spitze nicht durchbohrten Penis, mit Hypospadie an der Wurzel, und von der Öffnung der Urethra hingen die beiden grossen Labia herab, während die kleinen fehlten"p 24
• In the article, I wrote "That year he underwent an examination by Georg Steglehner in Bamberg, who reported suspicions of a Vesico-uterine pouch". Is this medically accurate based upon: "Hr. Prosect. Dr. Steglehner zu Bamberg meint, Derrier sei zweideutig. Es sei eine Alienation des Männlichen und Hinneigung zum Weiblichen vorhanden, und sicher eine blasige Gebärmutter da. Dessen Abhandl. de herniaphroditis. Bamb. 1816. c. 2. tab. aen. 8. Woher er eine blasige Gebärmutter vermuthet, weis ich nicht; ich kenne einen solchen Uterus überhaupt nicht." p 321. SusunW (talk) 16:31, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

I'll try to give appropriate english translations. It's a little difficult because both texts are written in some kind of educated german of it's respective time, which is quite different from normal contemporary german and from contemporary medical terminology.

• "She had a penis without perforation at the tip, with hypospadias at the root, and from the opening of the urethra were hanging the two big labia, whilst the small ones were missing."
• "The prosector Dr. Steglehner from Bamberg had the opinion, that Derrier was ambigous. There was a alienation of masculinity and a tilt (?) towards femininity, and surely there was a blistered (?) uterus. His essay de hermaphroditis, Bamberg 1816. Why he assumed a blistered uterus ecapes me; I have never heard of such an uterus."

So at least the "Vesico-uterine pouch" looks a little odd to me.

HTH, --Drahreg01 (talk) 19:40, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

Drahreg01, thank you! Yes, that is exactly the problem and as I neither speak German, nor am a medical expert, I felt I needed guidance.

Keeping in mind that this is a biography, and not a medical report, if I link hypospadias to no opening on the tip, is this an accurate statement: "there was no opening on the tip and the urethra was located at its base in the pudendal cleft"?

Interesting that what you translate as "blistered" in multiple translation software I have tried shows as "vesical uterus" or "bladder uterus". Thus it seemed to me to correlate to the vesico-uterine pouch. Still unsure of how the article should be worded in this case study. Suggestions? SusunW (talk) 20:15, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

I would avoid "pudendal cleft" (redirects to vulva), because in this text there is no description of a vulva, only of a penis with hypospadias and labia.

"Blase" means bladder, yes, but also bubble, thus "blasig" is something like "bubbled" or "bubblish" (?). See wikt:blasig. I don't think it refers to the urinary bladder. Look for an appropriate english word. Maybe today we would say something like cystic.

--Drahreg01 (talk) 20:35, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

Drahreg01 I appreciate your patience with me and your help to get the article right. Okay, so now I have "there was no opening on the tip and the urethra was located at its base surrounded by the labia majora." and for the second "That year he underwent an examination by Georg Steglehner, a prosector in Bamberg, who reported suspicions of a cystic uterus". Better? SusunW (talk) 21:18, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

You're welcome! I hope I don't sound to much like a know-it-all. After all, english is only my third language.

I would add "on the tip of the penis". Or does "tip" include it?

I would omit "who reported suspicions of a cystic uterus", because the author wrote "sicher", which means "sure(ly)".

Best wishes, --Drahreg01 (talk) 21:34, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

Drahreg01 I needed a know it all, because in this case I am a know nothing. Totally appreciate your help. SusunW (talk) 21:55, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

Severe Headaches

Regarding the first note:

"Sera identifies in the abstract that Derrier was admitted for severe headaches.[4] This appears to be an error as later, she identifies that admittance was because of a skin disease.[5]"

At least the page given as a reference for the first sentence does not mention "severe headaches". Rather, it states (in German, my translation) that Maria Dorothea Derrier "was treated in the spring of 1801 at the Charité hospital, Berlin, for scabies on her head" ["Krätze am Kopf"], which obviously is a skin disease. Therefore I don't see a contradiction. Best, — Pajz (talk) 23:43, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

I have removed the footnote. — Pajz (talk) 22:15, 26 June 2019 (UTC)