Talk:Kaiser Shipyards

Combined three articles into one

I merged details from Kaiser Shipbuilding Corporation and Kaiser Shipbuilding Company into this article. I chose Kaiser Shipyards as the merge target based simply on google hits (about 14,300 references vs. about 1,630 for the next highest choice). Of course I set up the redirects for the other two. 66.167.137.9 00:13, 6 December 2006 (UTC).

The problems here are many: Neither entity ever existed. There was never a "Kaiser Shipbuilding Corp." nor a "Kaiser Shipbuilding Co.". It seems a matter of convenience to wiki writers to invent these names.

Of the seven yards directly "managed" by the Kaiser interests, their actual corporate names were as follows:

• OregonShip = Oregon Shipbuilding Corporation.
• Swan Island = Kaiser Company, Inc. - Shipbuilding Division - Portland Yard.
• Vancouver = Kaiser Company, Inc. - Shipbuilding Division - Vancouver Yard.
• Richmond #1 = originally Todd-California Shipbuilding Corporation; then Richmond Shipbuilding Corporation - Yard #1; then finally Permanente Metals Corporation - Yard #1.
• Richmond #2 = originally Richmond Shipbuilding Corporation - Yard #2; then finally Permanente Metals Corporation - Yard #2.
• Richmond #3 = Kaiser Company, Inc. - Shipbuilding Division - Richmond Yard.
• Richmond #4 = Kaiser Cargo, Inc.

As you can see, never did there exist an entity named either Kaiser Shipbuilding Company nor Kaiser Shipbuilding Corporation. I would think an encyclopedia would be more concerned with accuracy than allowing google hits to determine content.five (talk) 19:33, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

In addition to accuaracy, Wikipedia is even more concered with reliable sources. If you could provide some reliable sources for the info you've listed, that would be very helpful. Otherwise, someone else may come along in a few years and claim that your info is inaccurate! - BillCJ (talk) 01:47, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

"Ships For Victory", the history of the United States Maritime Commission during WWII, would be a quick an easy reference to verify above. A more literal, primary source, can be found in either the records of the US Maritime Commission - finally transferred to the National Archives, College Park, MD, or the shipbuilding portions of original records of the Kaiser organization - which can be found at the Bancroft Library, University of California at Berkeley, CA. My work has required study of both the aforementioned manuscript collections since 1990. The Kaiser organization played many a game with corporate name and identity changes purely for tax purposes. For instance, losing gobs of cash in their failed effort to manufacture magnesium gave birth to changing the Richmond yard corporate names to Permanente Metals from Richmond Shipbuilding. This change allowed massive profits from the shipyards to be protected -- offset -- by heavy red ink from magnesium. There are similar reasons for each name change. The northern yards, Swan Island, Vancouver, and OregonShip offset huge initial investments and losses in what is commonly called Kaiser Steel - but Kaiser Steel's actual corporate name was "Kaiser Company, Inc. - Steel Division". Again, this allowed the Kaisers to safeguard huge profits from shipbuilding earned by the northern yards. In essence, Kaiser created his own tax-havens via teaming losers with winners under a common corporate identity. five (talk) 03:45, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Tag & Assess 2008

Article reassessed and graded as start class. --dashiellx (talk) 19:14, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

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