Talk:Joseph Trumpeldor

"arab hordes" v. the world

The reference to "arab hordes" didn't advocate that viewpoint, so it wasn't POV to include it there. i.e. it isn't POV merely to state that someone has POV X, as long as it done in appropriate context. Which in this case – being as the statement came from an organization that to all intents and purposes if the official torchbearer of Trumpeldor's memory – it most definitely does, and quite tellingly so, at that. Whiskey Pete 01:08, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

There is no reason to include such an extreme statement. It doesn't add any information to either the chain-of-events or his beliefes. Tewfik^Talk 21:52, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

But it ads -very- revealing information about the movement he inspired; you can't deny that. (Besides, "extremists" statements and references are perfectly OK, as long as they are quoted in the proper context.) Whiskey Pete 22:54, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Tewfik. --Zero^talk 00:15, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Horde

1. A large group or crowd; a swarm: a horde of mosquitoes.

a. A nomadic Mongol tribe.

b. A nomadic tribe or group.

Clearly, the Arabs living in Palestine were nomadic. Subsequently, their armies were disorganized. The description by Betar of "Arab hordes" is not extreme. Moreover, it is not biased to include this in entry. -- unsigned

Most people would think that the term "horde" when applied to an invading force has racist implications (even if one buys into the modern Israeli mythology that the inhabitants of Palestine before Zionist settlement were "nomadic" -- as if that is supposed to mean they were less deserving of any particular right to live on that land, less than say, Eastern European (and Iraqi, etc) refugees/immigrants.) Anyway, I hope we can all agree it's a shall we say, thought-provoking quote, and (due to the source) perfectly relevant to the article. Whiskey Pete 20:44, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

That quote doesn't belong here, just as quotes from the John Birch Society don't belong on the John Birch article. It doesn't tell anything about the person - only that some movement created after death which is named after him said something. 79.183.9.40 (talk) 10:39, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

We shouldn't have "thought-provoking quote"s - only encyclopaedic information. These entries should not be used to make political points. Tewfik^Talk 02:43, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Tag & Assess 2008

Article reassessed and graded as start class. --dashiellx (talk) 18:47, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

How could he be an Israeli Jew?

He died 28 years before the establishment of the state of Israel. How could he be an Israeli Jew? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ybact (talk • contribs) 23:51, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Type of Zionist.

He was not one of the founders of the Zionist socialist movement. He was one of the 'political Zionists'and a hero to both the left an the the right, but most of all the right as the revisonist father Zeev Jabotinsky was his closet compainion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.181.115.102 (talk) 16:17, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Hagiography

just because he is considered a hero by one side, it doesn't mean that the wikipedia article should reflect this view and blindly adopt all their narratives. for example, one could describe his lifework as helping to colonize the country at costs of the local population rather than "self defence".--Severino (talk) 08:40, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

British officer?

Did Trumpeldor hold a commission in the British Army? The article on the Jewish Legion states that "Captain Trumpeldor was Second-in-command" of the Zion Mule Corps but without a citation. The portrait at the top of the article shows him in what appears to be the uniform of an officer of the British army but there ought to be a cap badge (and smaller badges on the collars). If he held a commission then it should be officially recorded in the London Gazette but a search does not find a reference. Nedrutland (talk) 10:31, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

He was a captain in the mule corps. See here at the National Archives. Zero^talk 11:36, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

Failed verification for claims given

First although such claims would require better source than an editorial of Jerusalem Post, not a single claim inserted in the lead is supported by the source given.Tritomex (talk) 23:27, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

I have now removed those claims from the lead and made other edits. I hope you will consider that an improvement. Nedrutland (talk) 08:31, 25 August 2019 (UTC)