Talk:Im Si-wan

Requested move 20 November 2016

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The result of the move request was: Move to Im Si-wan, per the majority of editors. The one objection appears to stem from IMDB and a fansite, both of which are generally considered not reliable. (non-admin closure) Bradv 04:33, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

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Yim Si-wan → Im Si-wan – The literal Hangul translation from the Korean character is Im. At the top of the page, there is even a note that says "the family name is Im". Moreover, I think he is popularly known as "Im Si-wan". A couple of Korean newspapers that indicate his name as Im Si-wan are Chosun and Korea Herald. I see some inconsistency with the article naming of Korean celebrities with the Im last name, so just want to start this discussion. I suggest we should move it to Im Si-wan. Thanks. TerryAlex (talk) 15:15, 20 November 2016 (UTC) --Relisting. Andrewa (talk) 21:03, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

• Oppose per yimsiwan.com, imdb.com. Sawol (talk) 06:06, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

Yimsiwan.com is just one fansite though. There might be a couple of variations to his name spelling, but I think Im Si-wan is still the more popularly known one. When we google up the keyword "Yim Siwan", we see that most links mention his name as Im Siwan, and obviously if we google up "Im Siwan", tons of things come up.--TerryAlex (talk) 13:06, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

There is a specific naming convention, which overrules the common name criterion in any case. Andrewa (talk) 02:48, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

• Relisting comment: There is an official Wikipedia naming convention at Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Korean), see Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Korean)#Family name. As I read this convention, we should adopt Revised Romanization for the family name, per Revised Romanization of Korean#Transcription rules. Three versions are given in the article: 임웅재, Hangul: 임시완, and Hanja: 任時完. These all seem to me to correspond to Im (Korean surname)... but can someone with experience in the field verify this? Andrewa (talk) 22:11, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

• Hangul support comment: I have a good amount of knowledge in Hangul so I thought I would add that the Im surname is mostly read as Lim with the much rarer addition of Yim and Rim. It is usually hard to tell which pronunciation of 임 is used without real confirmation from the person themself or someone who knows them. I recommend the family name be set to Im as that is the literal way of reading it, at least until you have any sort of confirmation. Abdotorg (talk) 22:38, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

Thank you, just the sort of input I was after. Andrewa (talk) 02:48, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

• Support. Im is the form according to the naming convention. This is also consistent with other article names, see Im (Korean surname) and 林. The naming convention does specify Unless the subject is known to prefer otherwise..., which explains the variety in our article names, but I can find no evidence of his personal preference, so unless someone else does we should go with RR per the guideline. Andrewa (talk) 02:48, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
• Comment: To admin: both the Revised Romanization of Korean and McCune–Reischauer for this last name 임 is "Im", per Korean Romanization Converter from Pusan National University as well as Im (Korean surname) and List of Korean family names.--TerryAlex (talk) 03:41, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
• Also, both the Revised Romanization and McCune–Reischauer for this last name 이 is "I". But 이 is converted into Yi, Lee, Ri or Rhee as Yi Un, or Syngman Rhee in the House of Yi. WP:NC-KO says that "if there is no established English spelling, then RR or MR should be used." Do not have blind faith in the standard romanization. This discussion centered on Yim Si-wan's WP:COMMONNAME. The second point is whether he like to be called Yim or Im. Sawol (talk) 09:46, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

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Move to Yim Si-wan

Im Si-wan → Yim Si-wan - He is using 'Yim' as his surname. (evidence:Airline ticket) --Lawinc82 (talk) 16:47, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

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