Talk:Hargrave Military Academy

Religious affiliation

The article read that Hargrave's affiliation was Christian. I reversed the edit: 18:40, 30 August 2006 by Anonymnous user 66.140.196.166 who inserted [1] that Hargrave was a Baptist/Christian affiliated school. This was further edited by another anonymous user 72.25.117.241 whose edit [2] removed the word Christian to assert Hargrave is Baptist only. This last editor is almost certainly the same person who removed all African-Americans from the list of notable former students. Note: Hargrave has "no denominational affiliation" as clearly articulated in all of its booklets and on its Official website. C. C. Perez 11:54, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm hesitant to stick my nose into something I know nothing about, but the article does now (again) state that the school is strongly Christian. Jessicapierce 16:12, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Everyone that I've asked (and yes, I am a current student at HMA) says that Hargrave is a Baptist school. It isn't said on the website or any of the booklets (that I know of), but everyone that I've asked (including teachers) says that Hargrave is a Baptist school. Apocalypse223 19:29, 10 April 2007

List of Notable former students

I have removed (for the second time), names inserted by Anonymous editor 72.25.117.xxx who had falsely declared Hargrave was a Baptist school and who removed all African-Americans from the list and inserted these names:

• Brig. Gen. Lewis Helm, Author and media producer.
• Maj. Gen. William B. Caldwell, IV, Spokesman for US forces in Iraq.
• Maj. Gen. Guy Hairston
• Walter R. Davis Former CEO Occidental Petroleum
• R. Kirk Landon, Former CEO Am. Bankers Insurance
• Heath Light, Bishop, Episcopal Church
• Arthur Chandler, Doctor, Professor, Col. USAR, Voice of Duke Basketball (NOTE:This links to a British footballer)
• Romulus Sanders, Former Dean of Students, Hargrave Military Academy

None of these have any information that would lend a belief that they meet the criteria for creating a Wikipedia biography. From their edits, this Anonymous user appears to have a distinct agenda. I have limited time, but will try to monitor this and if repeated will refer it to a Wikipedia Administrator for the appropriate action. C. C. Perez 12:10, 3 October 2006 (UTC) Explain why you think these men are not "notable". I personally know all but two of these men and am insulted that you deleted them. Put them back in. Leon Rue OK, I give up. I have deleted ALL my changes to the Hargrave page. I'm tired of fighting to make the site better. Leon Rue, '49 HMA72.25.117.116

Someone, possibly C.C. Perez is making poor edits of this Wiki. I have sent an email to the head administrator to try and resolve this. Leon Rue, Hargrave '49````

My view - in general, for a list of alumni, anyone who either has an article or should have an article should be listed - in other words, use the same notability guidelines you would use anywhere else. The one proviso, though, is that Hargrave is a clearinghouse where college football teams stick their non-qualifying recruits so they can get their grades/SAT scores up. So I would imagine that a list including athletes would be quite large and it may not be a great idea to include all of the football players - just the ones that are extremely significant. But, at any rate, if thse redlinked individuals do not have articles and are not going to have an article, they shouldn't be on there. --BigDT (416) 19:57, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

I removed Brigadier General US Army (ret) Lewis Helm as he is NN. If he's notable, start a wiki article about him then include him. We should stick to the most notable alumni.Pdelongchamp 16:32, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Third opinion

Generally, there's no purpose to listing someone who does not and cannot have an article. "Notable alumni" sections should be effectively treated like "Trivia" or "In popular culture" sections. If the alumnus is highly relevant to the school (later became a dean there, has donated heavily for improvements, etc.), that should be worked into the prose of the article. Otherwise, it's just a laundry list of trivia and should be phased out. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 23:07, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

A lot of school articles have a list of notable alumni. Some like Gonzaga College High School even have a dedicated alumni page. It should be left in. The Pelican 20:52, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Assess

Had a re-look at this article. It still needs referencing. Some is available in the text so I have used one as an example. This is interesting school but without references the data may get deleted. If you need advice ask Victuallers 08:07, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Moto

The motivational platoon article needs to be rewritten so that it's not so oppinionated Apocalypse223 13:14, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:JosephHCosby-bookcover.jpg

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BetacommandBot (talk) 23:10, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Cleanup

I did a good deal of cleanup on this article, mostly deleting names of people who aren't notable and un-encyclopedic lists as per WP:DIRECTORY. I think there is a lot more in this article which needs to be reviewed as to whether or not it should stay in the article. Acidskater (talk) 05:03, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:HargraveMAlogo.JPG

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Why is there nothing about athletics/football?

Why is there nothing about athletics/football? It would be great if someone knowledgeable about this school could add that section. Obviously, sports seems very important as there are so many pro-athletes listed in the alumni section, and so many college football players come from there.

12:56, 31 May 2009 (UTC)65.96.6.208 (talk)

General William Caldwell IV

This man's name should be added to the notable attendees/alumni list on the main HMA page. He is currently head of Georgia Military College, having retired from the US Army, and has his own Wikipedia page, which specifies that he attended Hargrave. I believe I heard that he is not just a former cadet, but is a graduate- possibly class of 1972- but I may be confusing him with someone else. At any rate, General Caldwell definitely attended Hargrave and he should be listed among Hargrave's more famous graduates. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.177.152.141 (talk) 01:05, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

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Multiple Issues on Page

As the heading label for the HMA page indicates:

• This article relies largely or entirely on a single source. (April 2012)
• This article relies too much on references to primary sources. (April 2012)
• This article needs additional citations for verification. (March 2015)
• This article includes a list of references, but its sources remain unclear because it has insufficient inline citations. (March 2015)

Inline citations can and should be worked on. Additional citations can be added. But as for the article's heavy reliance on primary sources, I am sorry to say there may not be much anybody can do about that. Hargrave is a school whose history is almost exclusively documented through primary sources. Three history books about the school exist, all of them primary sources. Same for school yearbooks, which also provide information, and school news and press releases. Hargrave is not of that much interest to a lot of people in the world at large, so it isn't like VMI, West Point, or The Citadel, which have plenty of secondary sources about them. I am not sure how to improve the quality of the article in this regard when nothing but primary sources may even exist. --AC9016 (talk) 17:28, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

Proposed merge of Wheeler L. Baker into Hargrave Military Academy

to avoid deletion, non-notable as WP:SOLDIER DGG ( talk ) 06:58, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

• Merge or Delete he's not notable. Mztourist (talk) 07:02, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Oppose WP:SOLDIER has been deprecated. I argue that notability comes through authorship (Crisis Management: A Model for Managers) and academic leadership (president of Hargrave Military Academy for some years; WP:NACADEMIC point 6). Klbrain (talk) 15:25, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Closing, given this uncontested objection with stale discussion. Klbrain (talk) 21:09, 9 January 2022 (UTC)