Talk:Halve Maen

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Latest comment: 7 years ago by Dicklyon in topic Requested move 31 January 2017

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Come on, seriously?! Halve Maen? Wikipedia guidelines I believe encourage the naming of articles after the most common name. The ship is known in English as the Half Moon. The current official replica of the ship is called the Half Moon. The weathervane in the picture is called Half Moon, not the weathervane of the Halve Maen. Use this title for the Dutch version, but this is the English version of wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.182.142.254 (talk) 07:49, 9 December 2008 (UTC)Reply

From Wikipedia:Naming conventions (use English)- "Use the most commonly used English version of the name of the subject as the title of the article, as you would find it in verifiable reliable sources (for example other encyclopedias and reference works). This makes it easy to find, and easy to compare information with other sources." No one looking up the Half Moon would think to type Halve Maen. I will be looking into moving this article to Half Moon (ship) or whatever is more convenient available name.Camelbinky (talk) 00:07, 12 December 2008 (UTC) (Comments actually by User:VanishedUser 23asdsalkaka))‎Reply

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Apologies to Albany, NY civic boosters aside, the true Largest Working Weathervane in North America is at the airport in Whitehorse, YT, Canada. It is the hulk of an actual DC-3 airplane placed on a pivot. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:447:C000:DB08:B8B5:4B59:BB1B:467F (talk) 21:22, 11 October 2016 (UTC)Reply

Not a potential EASTERN route to China

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I cannot believe that the very capable sea-faring Dutch would be looking for an eastern route to China in the vicinity of New York. Surely they were looking for a western route. --ChrisJBenson (talk) 03:26, 12 September 2009 (UTC)Reply

It was commissioned to find an eastern route, and then changed plan.--MWAK (talk) 07:59, 12 September 2009 (UTC)Reply
Really? Commissioned to find an eastern route to Asia? In the 1600's? It was far too late for that by then. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.240.50.204 (talk) 22:28, 16 September 2012 (UTC)Reply
Eastern route north around Norway and through the Arctic. Which it was not too late, but instead too early. They needed to wait for some global warming!Camelbinky (talk) 18:31, 12 September 2014 (UTC)Reply

Naming Conventions, Shmaming Conventions!

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Agree re Half Moon. This ship is famous mainly in the U.S., where it is exclusively known by its English name. The Half Moon is an icon of national legend in the U.S., where no one's ever heard of the Halve Maen. Get real!
Nothing against the Dutch. But change it!
Dank u wel. Sca (talk) 13:34, 12 September 2014 (UTC)Reply
NoCamelbinky (talk) 18:31, 12 September 2014 (UTC)Reply
Agree with this as well as above. Hudson "Half Moon" gets 44,900 book results. Hudson "Halve Maen" gets 4,320 book results (with quite a bit of overlap re: they call it the "Half Moon" but mention at some point its Dutch name, the "Halve Maen". Looks like overwhelming WP:ENGLISH for "Half Moon"). Looks like complete consensus here so filling out WP:RM. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 16:10, 30 January 2017 (UTC)Reply
Besides @24.182.142.254: and @Sca:, noted this article was in fact moved by @RegentsPark: diff for "Common English name". It was moved back two years later by @Docu: for, well, no valid reason I can see. Missed a con-comment by @VanishedUser 23asdsalkaka: or @Camelbinky:?, hard to tell, maybe a technical result of WP:VANISH?. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 21:39, 2 February 2017 (UTC)Reply

Requested move 31 January 2017

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: No consensus. I recommend opening this as a more normal RM discussion, as the history, evidence, and format here are very confusing, and not inviting of more comments. Finally, the policy vs guideline argument is not persuasive, since policy does not say we have to use the most common name. (non-admin closure) Dicklyon (talk) 03:34, 11 February 2017 (UTC)Reply



Halve MaenHalf Moon (ship) – Total consensus to move to WP:ENGLISH name and "Half Moon" is 10 to 1 the common name here by reference (see Talk:Halve Maen). Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 16:15, 30 January 2017 (UTC)Reply

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 06:34, 31 January 2017 (UTC)Reply
WP:NCDAB guideline gives 3 options and this is consistent with the WP:NCDAB #2 Further linked WP:ATDAB policy says Natural disambiguation should use "an alternative name that the subject is also commonly called in English reliable sources", and that we should follow WP:CRITERIA "Article titles are based on how reliable English-language sources refer to the article's subject. Do not, however, use obscure or made-up names." "Half Moon" is used 10 to 1 in sources and over half of the first 20 "Halve Maen" hits explain this is the ship by the English name Half Moon (2 simple call it the Half Moon). That sounds pretty "obscure". Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 19:19, 2 February 2017 (UTC)Reply
I was actually hinting at the line Natural disambiguation is generally preferable to parenthetical disambiguation. --HyperGaruda (talk) 19:56, 3 February 2017 (UTC)Reply
Noted there were three options (above), including that one. WP:NCDAB #1 presupposes commonly used in English (which "Halve Maen" is not), gives three remedies, and its a guideline. Policy WP:COMMONNAME says the term or name most typically used in reliable sources is generally preferred. Following policy and applying the best fit in a guideline is the obvious way to go re: WP:COMMONNAME, WP:NCDAB #2. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 21:03, 3 February 2017 (UTC)Reply

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.