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Requested move at Talk:Mary II of England#Requested move 25 January 2024 edit

 

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Mary II of England#Requested move 25 January 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Векочел (talk) 17:29, 27 January 2024 (UTC)Reply

Further information for article edit

Hi, I'm not sure whether this is supposed to go here but I just created Brownies & Downies and I was hoping that some helpful people could find some more information about them from Dutch sources, potentially even take some pictures of one of their locations? Because I don't speak Dutch the majority of the information on the page relates to their expansion to South Africa, not from the Netherlands which is where they were founded.

Any help at all would be fantastic. CommissarDoggoTalk? 02:17, 3 February 2024 (UTC)Reply

Handhaving/BOA/Stadswacht edit

I would like to create a page about the general subject of Handhaving and BOAs though I dont know what to call it. Could someone please help with naming. Alexander vee (talk) 23:29, 4 February 2024 (UTC)Reply

I think it is impossible to give a correct translation for a profession that does not exist in another language area. BOA is short for 'bijzonder opsporingsambtenaar'. I think the best translation will be something like: 'special investigation officer'. The term 'stadswacht' might be translated als 'city guard'. Erik Wannee (talk) 08:24, 5 February 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Erik Wannee Thank you, after some consideration I found that stadswacht is an older term and only refers to the portion operated by municipalities. Handhaving, while being a common name used, is really just an organization name mostly for municipal BOAs. Other functions have different names like boswacht or even have a similar function like NS veiligheid en service. after research I found that an agency that employs BOAs is an Bijzondere opsporingsdienst, though this term is not used much. BOA in itself refers to the status of the employees. it will be impossible to create this without a few redirects. The government also has no official translation and I could keep it in Dutch. Thanks for your help, I understand the meanings and translations, though i now need help with finding a good page name.
Alexander vee (talk) 22:27, 5 February 2024 (UTC)Reply

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Dutch capitalization again edit

In WP:PHYSICS we have many articles with inconsistent capitalization of Dutch names. I know that this has been discussed before to no solution. I was wondering if we could solve this by using a template similar to {{Family name hatnote}} that is used in some biographies. Here is an example of what I mean, for Wander Johannes de Haas (compare also with Einstein–de Haas effect and De Haas–Van Alphen effect) we could have a hatnote template that does this:

This would help getting notice of the convention of each article. It would not be enforced (I do not think there has been any consensus on the matter), but it would avoid some slight edit wars here and there. Suggestion are welcome. ReyHahn (talk) 15:11, 26 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

Capitalisation of names depends on the country of origin. In the Netherlands, Tussenvoegsels have a lowercase letter, in Flanders, they have a uppercast letter. So if someone lives in the Netherlands, the name is f.i. written as 'de Haas', and in Flanders the name is written as 'De Haas'. Moreover, in Flanders those names are sorted as if the tussenvoegsel is part of the name, so 'De Haas' is sorted under the letter 'D', while in the Netherlands, 'de Haas' is placed under the letter 'H'. To make it even more complicated: I have a colleague in the Netherlands whose name is written as 'Van Oosten', because her family is from Flanders. I don't think there is consensus about that. Erik Wannee (talk) 14:27, 27 March 2024 (UTC)Reply
Sure, again no consensus here. I just saying that each article that uses a convention should be stated. How do I change the wording to reflect that? Note that this has nothing to do with how to order the name alphabetically.--ReyHahn (talk) 22:19, 27 March 2024 (UTC)Reply
My understanding is that in Dutch, the tusenvoegsel starts with a lower case letter only if it is in the middle of a name. For example "The statement was rebutted by Joop den Uyl" but "The statement was rebutted by Den Uyl". In the first case we use a lower case "d" because the word "den" is in the middle of his name, but in the second case, we use an uppercase "D" because it is the first letter of his name (as written in the document}. 2A00:23C8:1DAE:2401:60DF:B4CF:23CF:2EE2 (talk) 21:22, 27 March 2024 (UTC)Reply
That was my understanding too. That's why we should state it when the article uses that convention.--ReyHahn (talk) 22:19, 27 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

The title "Geslacht!" edit

I've been editing the Raven van Dorst article. Is the TV program title Geslacht! a play on words in Dutch? In addition to the literal meaning of "sex" (as in biological sex) it possibly also suggests something like "slaughtered" (afgeslacht, geslachte). However, since I don't know Dutch at all, is this just a misunderstanding on my part? — The Anome (talk) 13:39, 14 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Indeed, the word has both meanings in Dutch. But I cannot find in Dutch articles that the program title is meant as a play on words; I think the meaning in this context will be 'gender'. Erik Wannee (talk) 20:18, 19 April 2024 (UTC)Reply