Talk:Gull Terrier

Merger proposal

I believe Indian Bull Terrier should be merged into this article as its about the same dog. What are other peoples opinions? Dwanyewest (talk) 15:48, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

I don't see an article for Indian Bull Terrier, and the one you placed in Draft is a redirect. Are you asking that the redirect be created? Do you have any sources for this to confirm? AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 23:31, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

This Facebook post says they're different. [1] this one mentions Gull Terr and Pakistani Bull Terrier but not Indian [2] See also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gull Dong AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 23:36, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

Pakistan and India as originator

Map of British India (1911)

I recognize that these countries have their differences. I feel for you.
That being said, I think that the present borders between them are irrelevant to this origin myth. Indeed, the borders have fluctuated and been malleable long before these nations were split. Moreover, the landrace and breed can fairly be assumed to have crossed whatever borders may have existed. Dogs are no respecter of national pedigree! Further, dog breeders are notorious for sharing their stock.
To the extent that the British were involved (in both places), the breeding stock and its patrimony gets ever more confusing, I am sure. And once again, the borders were irrelevant. The credit and/or blame for this breed (I am not a huge fan) is shared.
Additionally, WP:Verifiability governs in Wikipedia, not WP:Truth.
So Coexistence in this article and a truce in Wikipedia hurts no one. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 21:13, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

I am in complete agreement with you User:7&6=thirteen. In 1947, Pakistan was created through the partition of India; naturally much of the flora and fauna, such as the Gull Terrier, are found on both sides of the border. Nationalists on both sides of the border are trying to claim this dog breed for themselves, despite the fact that it originated in a time when the country was undivided. Right now, the Punjab region, where this breed originates, is shared between India and Pakistan. As such, the solution to this problem is to include both India and Pakistan as the country of origin for this breeds, which is what reliable sources state. With the multiple names assigned to this breed, I have moved the majority of them to the infobox and have also footnoted them, in order to prevent more edit warring by nationalists; terms that do not mention "India" or "Pakistan" are safe for the lede, such as the simple "Gull Terrier" or "Gull Terr". I hope this helps. With regards, Anupam^Talk 08:51, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

• Punjab is a region straddling both India and Pakistan. The Gull Terr is an Indian Bull Terrier that originated in this Punjab region. Additionally, Pakistan was a part of India before 1947. We also have reliable sources that mention the dog's popularity in both India and Pakistan, in the Punjab region. In light of these facts, both nations should be retained in the article. We have a strong consensus for this. ML ^talk 19:37, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

Template for breeds originating in Pakistan

We have a template like that for India. I think I may have been was the one who created it. We need a similar one for Pakistan. Which then should be placed in this article. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 21:28, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

User:7&6=thirteen, since many of the breeds would overlap, I simply just modified the existing template to include Pakistan. I hope this helps. With regards, Anupam^Talk 09:28, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

See Bull Dog talk, Template for breeds originating in Pakistan. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 13:18, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

Should Gull Dong be separate?

Should Gull Dong be a separate article as its seems a different dog. Here is one source [3]. What are other peoples opinions? Dwanyewest (talk) 11:32, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

There are those who claim that the Gull Dong and the Gull Terrier are a separate breed. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 12:45, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

The Gull Dong is the colloquial term for a cross between a Gull Terrier and a Bully Kutta rather than a standardized breed. It appears that the article titled "Gull Dong" existed, but was nominated for deletion twice (see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gull Dong and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gull Dong (2nd nomination)), which succeeded. As such, thank you for adding a sentence to the article about it; I have added another source to the article discussing it. I hope this helps. With regards, Anupam^Talk 00:15, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

References

I hope in the future to create an article with a separate Gull Dong as I believe they are two distinct dog breed. Dwanyewest (talk) 14:39, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

Anupam^Talk I am creating Gull Dongs if anyone is interested you are welcome to contribute. If anyone disagrees with the creation of this article I am willing to accept the compromise on it been merged into this article. Dwanyewest (talk) 15:23, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

Dwanyewest, please create the article from the Gull Dong redirect, and then redirect Gull Dongs to Gull Dong. Also, it should have an explanation of how it is different from Gull Terrier and Bully Kutta. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 20:18, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

Dwanyewest, I'll see if they can WP:RM/TR this. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 00:57, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Rename category: Category:Dog breeds originating in India

Shouldn't this be Category:Dog Breeds originating in India and Pakistan? 7&6=thirteen (☎) 13:27, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

I proposed it here. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 13:34, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

Hi User:7&6=thirteen! It looks like there is already a category called Category:Dog breeds originating in Pakistan. The article as of now has Category:Dog breeds originating in Pakistan, as well as Category:Dog breeds originating in India, due to the fact that this breed originated in an area shared by both countries. I hope this helps. With regards, Anupam^Talk 23:43, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

Attribution

Copied text and references from Gull Terrier to Gull Dongs See former article's history for a list of contributors. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 17:19, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

Why does Radio Télé Africa exist?

User:7&6=thirteen, why has Radio Télé Africa been used as a source when the link is dead I tried retrieving the source on the Wayback Machine but the source can't be found. Dwanyewest (talk) 15:30, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

See WP:Linkrot. It was a source. Linkrot didn't change that fact. No reason to delete it, but it should be marked as {{dead link}}. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 15:34, 8 March 2019 (UTC)