Talk:Edison Chen

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Norman Lloydbottom, are you sure of this fact? I can't seem to find it anywhere on the net. The film "Kwong Wu", do you mean "Jiang Hu"? Comrade-HW 06:26, 2 May 2004 (UTC)

Loydbottom, where are you getting these facts? Comrade-HW 01:21, 3 May 2004 (UTC)

It is common knowledge now in Hong Kong, although the original source stemmed from three different entertainment magazines.

Way to copy and paste the info from asianhunk.net

Fast Facts section

Is it really necessary to have note of his favourite colour and city?

   --ha ha, same thing with the introduction, his occupation - 'idol'? ill take it out 220.236.28.144 11:51, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Copyright Violation

As mentioned above in an unsigned comment, the greater majority of this article has been lifted almost word for word from this Asiahunk.net page. Completely lifting work from other sites almost word for word is plagiarism and a copyright violation. Luke! 00:38, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

I have listed this site under Wikipedia:Copyright Problems. I will try and attempt a re-write when I have time. Luke! 00:49, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Movies Edison has starred in

I've made a small edit to the paragraph which lists movies Edison has starred in. He did not star in Infernal Affairs I. He only starred in the second one.

Hey, EDC did appear on Infernal Affairs I! He was the young Andy Lau there. It was a brief appearance but he was still there. You can even check with Infernal Affairs I here at Wikipedia or just simply go to Infernal Affairs I website. I'm also surprised that someone erased the part about his girls.

EDC's Assailants

222.126.106.26 01:53, 12 May 2007 (UTC) Are you sure EDC's assailants, the one he chased, are FILIPINO teenagers? I can't seem to find it anywhere in the net claiming that they are actually FILIPINOS. There are pics of them on the net but hard to tell their nationality coz a lot of Chinese look like Filipinos.

Crouching-Tiger-Hidden-Dragon-Style?

202.163.213.131 11:21, 19 May 2007 (UTC) Please explain what you mean by this

This came from IP user: 58.105.184.172. It has been reverted. The movie wasn't out until 2000 so this is likely vandalism. Benjwong (talk) 16:07, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Dark Knight scene

Does anyone have a source for the statement that his scene was pulled from the film due to the photo scandal? Th 2005 (talk) 23:03, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Hhmmm, there should be, Ill try find one. Dengero (talk) 01:09, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

actually, the scane hasn't been pulled despite the photo scandal. you might want to remove the item until you have sources. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.200.229.164 (talk) 19:15, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

I saw the movie and he's in there...cute as a button, too!...very short appearance though. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.21.165.141 (talk) 21:22, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Not fluent

I believe he's not fluent in Cantonese or Mandarin. He may be able to speak some of those two languages but he's not fluent otherwise. 71.146.12.130 (talk) 14:45, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

• He clearly prefers to speak in English. He has sung a few mandarin songs, but it does not necessarily imply he can converse fluently in mandarin. I have put a {{cn}} tag against that fact. Ohconfucius (talk) 02:24, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Date format

The guy is a Hong Kong celeb, but one who has canadian nationality, and may even be living in Canada now. As his main audience is Hong Kong, I believe the article should be in international date format, and not American. Ohconfucius (talk) 02:44, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Canada uses the U.S. date format, so... Pandacomics (talk) 07:10, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Race data

I have removed the claim of 7/8 han chinese, 1/8 portugese for the time being. Conflicting things were published about him in a number of magazine, from him being a shanghai-chinese, to part black, to 1/4 chinese, to 1/8 portugese etc. We need reliable sources. Benjwong (talk) 05:17, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Used a Time magazine source to verify indirectly. The most in depth coverage of his family heritage comes from an issue of the more controversial Eastweek magazine some time in early 2008. Benjwong (talk) 04:24, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Is he actually Chinese? He doesn't look at all Chinese, more like an Indian. 86.176.189.197 (talk) 01:18, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Lead

Per WP:LEAD#Biographies, we don't give undue weight to recent events. Half of the first paragraph already describes his recent notoriety from the photo scandal. The internet search ranking and poll results don't deserve its own paragraph in the lead; not to mention that it's also repeated in the scandal section of the article. --Madchester (talk) 16:57, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

I was expecting to agree with you, but looking at it, I find that I don't. It's only six words of one sentence, and the sentence is highly material to his current status, stepping away from the entertainment industry. That sentence is about a third of the lede, and the mention of the sex scandal is a very small part of the entire paragraph. I think it has appropriate weight. If you think the current status occupies too much of the lede, I would suggest that it's only because the lede is too short, and perhaps should be expanded with other material elements of the article. TJRC (talk) 17:11, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

His internet search ranking beat out beijing olympics, and many other notable items in a very eventful year 08. Shouldn't that be taken into consideration? Also TJRC removed a section deemed as superstition. In the east Tooth fairy is superstition but these practices are not. We may need to think in reverse here. Benjwong (talk) 00:18, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

1. Actually, per Wikipedia:Notability_(people)#Invalid_criteria, the search engine test is an invalid criteria for determining the notability of an individual.
2. Per WP:LEAD, the intro should give a general overview about a topic. While an interesting achievement, such details are more appropriate in context to the scandal rather than his career as a whole. --Madchester (talk) 01:51, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

I think you misinterpreted that rule in the guideline. That page is for "Notability (people)". It basically said the search engine test should NOT be a criteria used to say a person is notable/avoid deletions. In this case the search engine count is not being used as some kind of leverage. It is only used to emphasize where he ranked among all subjects in 2008. Benjwong (talk) 02:08, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Past life, reincarnation analysis

In a section above, Benjwong wrote Also TJRC removed a section deemed as superstition. In the east Tooth fairy is superstition but these practices are not. We may need to think in reverse here. Let me better explain. The section deleted was of Szeto Six-cheun's feng shui analysis of Edison Chen's and Nicholas Tse'salleged past lives. Such a section is not actually about Edison Chen; it is perhaps about Szeto Six-cheun, and if he or she has a wikipedia article, perhaps you should discuss adding it there. I would equally object to a western astrologer's horoscope about Chen or any Western celebrity. And, to use Benjwong's example, I would object to a passage about the tooth fairy as well. TJRC (talk) 02:06, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

My 2 cents is that it fails WP:NOT for being tabloid journalism and WP:BLP for being potentially libelous info. Why is this detail only included in Chen's article and not the other parties mentioned by the feng shui master? --Madchester (talk) 02:11, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

The king Moctezuma II#Depiction in early post-conquest literature clearly talks about his past life. So wikipedia cannot accept Chinese culture talk. But it is completely okay to accept the glorifying of european conquesters. Both are part of wiki biography. Benjwong (talk) 02:18, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

I would agree in cutting out "Tse also saved a woman who attempted to commit suicide by jumping into a river, that woman is Faye Wong. Though in this life and the past life Faye Wong and Nicholas Tse do not end up together. Cecilia Cheung is supposed to continue the relationship with Tse in this life" But not the rest of the other stuff also. Also, I concur with Benjwong's point. Dengero (talk) 10:06, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Ok. We'll remove that chunk because it has nothing to do with this person. Benjwong (talk) 13:57, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

The difference is that Montezuma is dead; Chen is not. Per WP:BLP, we write conservatively about living subjects. --Madchester (talk) 17:45, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Look, either this passage is alleged to be asserting something about Chen or it is not. If it is alleged to be about Chen, a feng shui master speculating about someone's past lives is not a WP:RS, and the inclusion of the passage here violates WP:BLP. If it's not about Chen, it's outside the scope of the article. Either way it needs to be deleted. TJRC (talk) 18:17, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

To write conservatively by WP:BLP standard is to not write about the scandal at all. AFAIK past life cultural analysis is very common in the culture. Benjwong (talk) 19:00, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

This discussion is going nowhere, so I've opened a discussion on the BLP noticeboard; see WP:BLPN#Edison Chen's prior lives?. TJRC (talk) 20:27, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

I do not see how someone opining on someone else's past lives in a tabloid is in any way acceptable under our BLP policies. I have removed the information, untill such time as a consensus is reached that it should be included. Please do not return poorly sourced information about a living person without strong and broad consensus to include it. Hipocrite (talk) 21:31, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

The source is not a tabloid. Either you join in the BLP board or avoid jumping in. Thank you. Benjwong (talk) 21:35, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

I found this article because of your back and forth on the BLP board. Hipocrite (talk) 21:40, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

I've fully protected the article for a week until this content dispute has been resolved. --Madchester (talk) 23:09, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Sure. Benjwong (talk) 00:19, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

I don't see any serious BLP problem, but there's an inherent undue weight issue in adding this sort of speculation about what a specific religion thinks about Chen's past lives. If explicitly subscribed to the beliefs it might be a different situation. JoshuaZ (talk) 16:55, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Why's he allowed to enter HK?

Given he has a criminal record for attacking a taxi, why has HK Immigration allowed him to enter and stay in HK? He's born in Canada, and is therefore not a citizen of HK. 86.176.189.197 (talk) 01:20, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

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