Talk:Dudi Amsalem
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 | On 19 August 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved to David Amsalem (politician). The result of the discussion was not moved. |
Requested move 19 August 2023
edit- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) – MaterialWorks 17:05, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
Dudi Amsalem → David Amsalem (politician) – Page should be at the standard first/last name, not a nickname - nicknames, per WP:NICKNAME, should not be used unless they appear in "overwhelming majority of independent reliable sources", which does not appear to be the case here. He is David in many local news outlets [1], [2], and definitely in international news [3], [4], and David on the Knesset and other government sites. This page was moved to the standard first/last format but then moved back based on natural disambiguation, per WP:NCDAB, but it is far from obvious that WP:NCDAB is intended to be used to move biographical pages away from their obvious natural base names to nicknames given the reservations in WP:NICKNAME. Iskandar323 (talk) 08:14, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose Dudi isn't a nickname, it's a diminutive of David (like Dudi Sela or Dudi Appleton) and is how this politician is widely known (hence why his Hebrew article is at Dudi Amsalem too). There are numerous other examples of this, notably Benny Gantz (formally Benjamin Gantz on the Knesset). Number 57 09:43, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
- "Widely known" isn't the requirement for a biography to be listed under a nickname or contraction; the requirement is that the name be "overwhelmingly" prevalent. Iskandar323 (talk) 10:22, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
- I think you've misunderstood the guideline again. The "overwhelmingly" requirement (at WP:PSEUDONYM) is specifically for stylisations like "Weird Al" Yankovic, not for diminutives. Number 57 10:38, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
- This immediately follows the example of William "Bill" Clinton, a form that editors are instructed not to use. Iskandar323 (talk) 12:09, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
- Again, as I explained on my talk page, that guidance specifically refers to article titles, not introductory paragraphs. It is saying not to have article titles like David "Dudi" Amsalem. Number 57 12:18, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
- This immediately follows the example of William "Bill" Clinton, a form that editors are instructed not to use. Iskandar323 (talk) 12:09, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
- I think you've misunderstood the guideline again. The "overwhelmingly" requirement (at WP:PSEUDONYM) is specifically for stylisations like "Weird Al" Yankovic, not for diminutives. Number 57 10:38, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
- "Widely known" isn't the requirement for a biography to be listed under a nickname or contraction; the requirement is that the name be "overwhelmingly" prevalent. Iskandar323 (talk) 10:22, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose per Number 57. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:45, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose per NATURAL.--Ortizesp (talk) 02:12, 23 August 2023 (UTC)