Talk:Dorothea of Denmark, Electress Palatine

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she was a black woman, search google for her black portrait and compare to African man by Mostaert, her uncle charles V hansburg. They were all blacks. egmond codfried bluebloodisblackblood.blogspot.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.87.123.24 (talk) 11:04, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Info added but not in cited source

In this revert today, it is claimed that text can be found in the cited source which can be interpreted into our article as "as a childless widow beyond the usual childbearing age, Dorothea was no longer considered politically useful". Here is the entire text from that cited source:

• På det fyrstelige ægteskabsmarked var D og søsteren ◊•Christine to noget usikre lodder i spillet om Danmark. Da deres eneste broder, den 14-årige prins ◊Hans, døde i 1532, og kong ◊Frederik 1. døde det følgende år, fik deres slægtninge, habsburgerne, travlt med at få de to piger gift med mænd, der kunne være prætendenter til den danske trone. Til D valgte de den da 51-årige ungkarl pfalzgrev Friedrich, guvernør i Oberpfalz, som hun 14 år gammel blev gift med i 1535. Valget af ◊Christian 3. til dansk konge i 1536 ødelagde de umiddelbare forhåbninger. Fra deres lille hof i Neumarkt mellem Nürnberg og Regensburg søgte Friedrich og D ikke desto mindre i de følgende år fortsat at hævde kravet på den danske trone. Ds morbroder kejser Karl 5. støttede dem i princippet, men satte ikke magt bag, og i 1544 sluttede han fred med Danmark uden hensyn til Friedrich og D. Da Friedrich samme år arvede kurfyrstendømmet Pfalz, lagde han derfor mere afstand til habsburgerne, og året efter gik han over til protestantismen. D skiftede også tro, og det er muligt, at hun har haft lutherske sympatier fra sin barndom og har påvirket ægtefællen. Ægteskabet var barnløst, så ved Friedrichs død 1556 gik kurfyrsteværdigheden først til en nevø og siden til en fjern slægtning. D vendte tilbage til Neumarkt, som hun havde fået som livgeding (enkegods). Her førte hun et ødselt hus. Hun opretholdt stadig tætte forbindelser med sine habsburgske slægtninge, men som barnløs enke var hun blevet politisk uinteressant. På trods af såvel habsburgerne som den nye strengt calvinistisk orienterede kurfyrste af Pfalz fastholdt hun den lutherske tro.

A quick translation from Danish to English is:

• In the princely marriage market, D and his sister ◊ • Christine were two somewhat uncertain lotteries in the game about Denmark. When their only brother, the 14-year-old Prince ◊Hans, died in 1532, and King ◊Frederik I died the following year, their relatives, the Habsburgs, got busy getting the two girls married to men who could be pretenders to the Danish throne. For D, they chose the then 51-year-old bachelor Palatinate Count Friedrich, governor of Oberpfalz, whom she married at the age of 14 in 1535. The election of 3.Christian III as Danish king in 1536 destroyed the immediate hopes. From their small court in the Neumarkt between Nuremberg and Regensburg, Friedrich and D nevertheless in the following years sought to continue to claim the claim to the Danish throne. D's uncle Emperor Charles V supported them in principle, but did not put power behind, and in 1544 he made peace with Denmark without regard to Friedrich and D. When Friedrich inherited the Electorate of Palatinate the same year, he therefore put more distance to the Habsburgs, and the year after he converted to Protestantism. D also changed faith, and it is possible that she has had Lutheran sympathies from her childhood and has influenced her spouse. The marriage was childless, so at Friedrich's death in 1556, the Electoral dignity passed first to a nephew and then to a distant relative. D returned to Neumarkt, which she had received as a life gift (widow's estate). Here she led a desolate house. She still maintained close ties with her Habsburg relatives, but as a childless widow she had become politically unattractive. Despite both the Habsburgs and the new strictly Calvinist-oriented Elector of the Palatinate, she maintained the Lutheran faith.

Notwithstanding a few possible translation oddities, and notwithstanding the previously discussed linguistic limitations of the claimant user when writing in English (limitations which have improved considerably over the years), and notwithstanding previously discussed desires of that claimaint user to write as a feminist (which often has added considerable value to our articles), absolutely nothing is found in the cited text which justifies this being added to our article: "as a childless widow beyond the usual childbearing age, Dorothea was no longer considered politically useful".

Thus I am quite surprised and disappointed in the claimant user's edit summary when reverting my correction.

In any case I will be reverting this again after allowing time for the claimant user to explain herself. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 19:00, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

Daughter rolled back

I rolled back three IP edits adding an unknown daughter. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 22:20, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

The IP has reverted me twice on this, though I wrote to its talk page after the 2nd time. I will keep rolling it back unless we get a verifiable source. The one added last time looks faked. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 12:22, 10 April 2022 (UTC)