Talk:Deaths in March 2020

Larry Edgeworth, NBC News employee, has died...

Larry Edgeworth, NBC News employee, has died. Age 61. Covid-19 [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.98.176.46 (talk) 18:11, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

 Not done A studio audio technician for NBC News - that's going to fail basic notability. Death from COVID-19 is not a notability in itself. Ref ^(chew)(do) 19:00, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

The "American audio engineers" category has 756 bios (an even thousand, counting stubs). But yeah, a sample of five suggests most worked in music, film or more entertaining television. Possibly some newsies. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:29, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

For contrast, "Iranian futsal coaches" has only 22 bios, but coronavirus was apparently good enough for Ahmad Taheri. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:55, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

Also, we have American sound engineer Keith Olsen here already. Mysterious "cardiac arrest". Did other stuff, too, though. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:08, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

I presume you were being ironic. Olsen was the record producer on many million selling albums, from the late 1960s to mid 1990s - sort of "did other stuff", if you do not look hard enough. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 01:04, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

That's (part of) the other stuff I meant. Only trying for brevity, since Edgeworth is this section's focus. I'm a Scorpions fan, I know damn well how much better Crazy World sounds than Dateline. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:00, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

After some digging, it seems the closest parallel we have is Walter Balderson. And Larry Edgeworth, sir, is no Walter Balderson! So it appears Ref is right, news sound techs are doomed to obscurity. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:27, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

Kenny Rogers

The usual to-ing and fro-ing over which the "rule of three" songs are to be included here. Contenders seem to be "The Gambler", "Just Dropped In", "Islands in the Stream", "Lady" and, as a rank outsider not yet listed, "Lucille". Maybe, "Ruby, Don't Take Your Love to Town" too. Do we use chart placings / Grammy Awards / sales / global recognition, or, as seems to prevail for a while at least on this page, editorial preferences. I can not remember which three won out for Michael Jackson and George Michael for example, or what criteria actually won the day back then. Can you ? The bouncing around does not do this page any real favours, sorry favors - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 00:24, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

Usually it is by consensus. There are too many charts these days to make any sense out of them. The Gambler was his signature song. Just Dropped In was a good example of his rock era recordings and was used as the theme song for The Big Lebowski/The Dude and many younger folks would know him from that. I would personally go with Lady over Islands in the Stream, but I can see where the fans of the Bee Gees and Dolly Parton would want it the other way. Island was also his only Certified Platinum record single. So those are probably his 3 best known works.Sunnydoo (talk) 01:09, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

Edman Ayvazyan

I may be ignorant like someone said, but on the Iranian wiki page for the artist it is stated he died of coronavirus. Since the Iranian contributors should have a higher knowledge of their language than Google Translate, I think we should think carefully about this.

As far as I understand, he was previously hospitalized for cardiovascular disease, he developed fever (sign of coronary disease, anyone?) and got tested for COVID. He was positive and then died. This happened in London. Now if you want to convince me "they tested coronary disease" like it was a sort of tampon, you are wrong. I'm not fine in insering a CoD which could be fake one way or another. My proposal is to reinstate the English article and not report a CoD. --Folengo (talk) 13:15, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

You insist on publicizing what's unsourced, repeatedly pointing at a source you misread. Then after reading it, you insist what is sourced be hidden. And now you're saying heart disease can't be diagnosed, despite me linking to the tests on your Talk, but suggest tampons can. Stop trying until you've slept! I mean that nicely. InedibleHulk (talk) 16:25, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Max von Sydow's nationality

His entry keeps being reverted from "Swedish-born French" actor to just "Swedish". While I perfectly understand (possibly even more than others) von Sydow's "swedishness", this isn't a place for cinephilic debates, but one for stating factual truths. I have also been suggested to check the actor's wiki entries, all of which clearly state that he died as a (solely) French citizen. This page explicitly asks for "country of citizenship at birth and subsequent nationality". I don't even see what there is to debate, but I am not going to revert back to "Swedish-born" without support. Please let me know your thoughts. • REDGOLPE (TALK) 13:25, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

• But he wasn't French born. You mean the reverse? Nohomersryan (talk) 14:51, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Of course. Edited. • REDGOLPE (TALK) 15:22, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Hello. Many reliable french sources say he was naturalized French in 2002 ([2], [3], [4]). Current source says nothing about that fact, maybe you can use a French one? (I suggest [5]). Regards, Xavier 90.6.224.88 (talk) 16:11, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

I would prefer a non-French source for an issue of French nationality claims. Similar to the "skew" which inspires some to claim that a high-profile in-comer, resident in the USA, automatically has further American co-citizenry, in addition to a Dutch-British naturalization. The urge to "own" the most notable imports from overseas is extremely strong, it seems. As a Brit, I wouldn't dream of assuming that (for instance) the late American musician Julie Felix ever took out official citizenry of our realm without access to cast-iron proof of such. Ref ^(chew)(do) 18:35, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Please consider that none of the editors who reverted back to "Swedish" contested his French nationality: that has never been up for debate. The question is if a person who dies a French after living for the majority of his life a Swede must be listed as the former, or the latter. • REDGOLPE (TALK) 19:31, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

I understand (although Le Monde is renowned for its reliability). Do you prefer his Who's Who (ok, they say 2003)? I'm searching in the Journal officiel, but I'm not sure if such recent decrees are available for consultation. Regards, Xavier 90.6.224.88 (talk) 19:54, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Nationality is not a moveable feast to be taken as lightly as deed poll changes to one's name. It is something granted by a country to an incoming person through legal means, and so legally one should be obliged to refer to the status of citizenship as at the time of death in its current terms. That could be the single (newer) citizenship, or else dual citizenship, or even in extreme cases a properly and legally witnessed verbal renunciation by the deceased on their death bed reverting to the former citizenship. Ref ^(chew)(do) 20:25, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

There is also discussion about this at Talk:Max von Sydow#Nationality. WWGB (talk) 05:34, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Harriet Glickman

Hi. Although I'm always a strong fan of letting the unarticled stand for 30 days to see if one gets written about them, I cannot see that this subject's slim notability will ever result in a full-blown article about her (the bluelink is a mere redirect to Franklin (Peanuts). So I question her actual baseline notability for inclusion at the outset. Thoughts anyone? Ref ^(chew)(do) 17:14, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

So what I'm trying to point out is a baseline of schoolteacher → notable cartoonist by association → notable cartoon character by association - which doesn't cut it in this encyclopedia. Ref ^(chew)(do) 19:14, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

I would change schoolteacher to civil rights activist, b/c that era was a very very very different America than what it is today. She was advocating for the inclusion of black people into cartoons- which was unheard of at the time. When they were included into cartoons of that era, they were not normal figures but extreme caricatures of race. Secondly, I would change it to a redlink and put something like, "inspired Franklin (peanuts) character." I can see a good chance she will get a tab article from the Civil Rights group, but I agree probably not a full length one.Sunnydoo (talk) 21:24, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

And for the record, it is people like this that change the world. 1 small little step that leads to bigger and better things for us all.Sunnydoo (talk) 21:35, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I still can't see that as a possibility. However, if others really feel differently, there's no harm in leaving her there for a month. Thanks. Ref ^(chew)(do) 23:56, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

Just as we put redlinks here in the off-chance they get created, hers is a blue redirect, which also gets put here. Wyliepedia @ 11:12, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Yes, I'm aware, but I have questioned (and still do) even her baseline notability, given its flawed connection with the inherited notability of the cartoonist and the cartoon character. Final word, I'm out. Ref ^(chew)(do) 20:24, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Grim Sleeper

Should we be using his real name (Lonnie David Franklin, Jr.)? Or his media moniker, Grim Sleeper? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 06:05, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

After much past discussion on this, the consensus still seems to be to state the name they are best known by. As a Brit, I don't even know who the Grim Sleeper is/was, but probably would be even less informed if you mentioned the name Lonnie David Franklin Jr. to me. Wrestlers and others using pseudonyms rarely have real names included here. Ref ^(chew)(do) 06:54, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Article name. If anyone wishes to change that to his actual name, they can make that suggestion at its talkpage (which has been done to no avail since its creation). Wyliepedia @ 10:58, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

To be clear, Grim Reefer was a tag partner of Homicide and Necro Butcher; this guy couldn't lace Killer Khan or The Assassins' boots. InedibleHulk (talk) 13:47, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 18:49, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Larry Rathgeb, designer of the 200 MPH racecar, died March 22, 2020

Larry Rathgeb, designer of the 200 MPH racecar, died March 22, 2020, due to COVID-19

He was 90

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/04/07/larry-rathgeb-head-engineer-behind-first-200-mph-racecar-dies-coronavirus-90/?fbclid=IwAR0iWZgOS1EwLNP3D3ahwF-YS3DJCXvGkFDynTpKq1adzsjOHz8bU3lDyPY — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.98.176.46 (talk) 22:01, 8 April 2020 (UTC)