Talk:Czesław Lewicki

Warsaw Insurgent?

Not sure if he is the same person at https://www.1944.pl/powstancze-biogramy/czeslaw-lewicki,27293.html _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:16, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

Righteous who saved Szpilman?

I am not sure if he is the same person:

Together with Andrzej Bogucki and his wife Janina Bogucka, he helped to shelter Jewish composer Władysław Szpilman during The Holocaust in Poland.

He worked at the Warsaw radio station before the war. In 1943, during the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising, Szpilman was working outside the ghetto. He was able to contact his actor friend, Andrzej Bogucki, who were able to take him from his workplace and shelter them in their appartment for two weeks. After that, they moved him to a Lewicki bachelor's apartment, where he was able to stay for another five months.

On May 23 1978 Janina and Andrzej Bogucki and Czesław Lewicki were recognized by Yad Vashem as Righteous Among the Nations. They were among thirty or so non-Jewish Poles involving in helping Szpilman during the war.

I initially thought so - name, profession (musician), location (Warsaw). But [1] states that he left Poland in 1938.

Need further research to ensure we are not conflating bios of two people into one. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:33, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

@Dreamcatcher25 Ping in case you have access to relevant sources? I cannot find anything about Righteous Czesław Lewicki other than what is above (that he was a conductor and worked at Warswa Radio before the war; in Polish "dyrygent orkiestry i dawny kolega z Polskiego Radia"). See also [2]. I did find a longer treatment here but again it does not clarify anything (no dates of birth/death or info on career other than the facts known...the only thing that source does is to note he participated in the Warsaw Uprising). What are the odds there were two contemporary Czesław Lewicki's, both composers associted with Warsaw and Polish Radio? _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 11:18, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

Digging more. states that Szpilman's Lewicki was wanted by Gestapo. Some sources (ex. [3], [4]) claim he had a wife Helena who helped Szpilman's as well, which does however contradict cited intereview with his daughter... sigh. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 13:59, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, I am not familiar with any source about this person.Dreamcatcher25 (talk) 14:45, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

For now I've created a different biography at Czesław Lewicki (Righteous). There is just not enough in sources to conclude they are the same person... _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 11:22, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

PS. I still remain concerned this is the same person. The only problem is that sources for the bio of the composer here make no claim that he worked in Polish Radio before the war (only after the war), whereas the Righteous biographies all make the claim. Note that the interview with the Righteous daughter states that he tried to keep his association with Armia Krajowa quiet, as it was not something that communnist gov approved. So it is not that surprising this would be ommitted from his official bio in 1981. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:59, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

After finding a new source, I concluded that they are one and the same person. There is no contradictory information anymore and some good amount of overlap. Also discussed on pl wiki. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 01:09, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

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• ... that Czesław Lewicki, Polish composer and conductor, received the Righteous Among the Nations for aiding the Polish-Jewish composer Władysław Szpilman? Source: https://righteous.yadvashem.org/?searchType=righteous_only&language=en&itemId=4016116&ind=1
  • ALT1: ... that Czesław Lewicki, Polish composer and conductor, was one of about 30 non-Jewish Poles who helped shelter the Polish-Jewish composer Władysław Szpilman during The Holocaust? Source: https://books.google.co.kr/books?id=vHFvEAAAQBAJ&pg=PA222&dq=%22Czes%C5%82aw+Lewicki%22+szpilman&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiz6MKT2NGBAxXzr1YBHfGXA6YQ6AF6BAgJEAI#v=onepage&q=%22Czes%C5%82aw%20Lewicki%22%20szpilman&f=false
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• Overall, @Piotrus:, nice work on the article! Length, hook, sources, QPQ, no copyvios all check out. I prefer ALT1 over the original. However, there seems to be a Talk page message which suggests that this article may be a duplicate. Have you found more information confirming those two Czesław Lewickis are the same/different people? [5]#prodraxis ^connect 22:19, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
  • Prodraxis, Hold that thought. I asked for help on pl wiki, we found another source that states he worked in Polish Radio before and after the war. Coupled with approximate date of death in the interview with his daughter ("quarter of century ago", interview was in 2002), I think it is almost certain this is the same person. I'll be integrating the articles shortly and I'll ping you when I do so on en wiki, hopefully witin a few days at most. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 08:31, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
  • Prodraxis After reviewing the new source, I've merged the articles. The new source found is about the composer, but it states he worked in Polish Radio before and after the war. That fact connects all biographies together. Lack of information about his wartime history is explained in the interview with his daughter (commmunist Poland discrmianted against Home Army members, so he wanted to keep that part of his life under wraps, so he did not advertise it in his biographical sketches). His daughter interview also gives a very smimilar estimate of his death, as I mentioned above. I think it is extremly unlikely we are dealing with two people, with similar names, careers and date of death (but only one would be mentioned in biographical sources for Polish composers/musicians). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 01:15, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
    • @Piotrus: Got it. In that case, accept. #prodraxis ^connect 02:47, 10 October 2023 (UTC)