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Anglo-Saxon

An editor changed "Anglo-Saxon" to "early English" in "came from a wealthy Anglo-Saxon family" on the ground that "we professional medievalists no longer use the racist term". Johnbod deleted "early" on the ground that early English is a strictly linguistic term. Some American historians regard "Anglo-Saxon" as racist because it is used in that sense by some American white nationalists, although the usage appears to be obscure as I have not come across it in the many articles I have read about racism among Trump supporters. The term is not regarded as racist in the UK and a leading British journal is called Anglo-Saxon England; it has American members of its editorial board. I do not think that American racists should be allowed to dictate whether a term is racist in UKEng usage and I will change the term back to Anglo-Saxon. Dudley Miles (talk) 17:05, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

I agree on the general point, but she was born "about 1096-1098" - ie 30 years after the Conquest, which is really too late to be calling people AS. Johnbod (talk) 18:26, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

The article did not say that she was AS, but "who came from a wealthy Anglo-Saxon family trying to accommodate with the Normans at that time", which I take to mean that she was a member of a wealthy Anglo-Saxon family before the Conquest adapting to the new regime. It seems a legitimate usage in that sense.

I am also doubtful of the logic of stopping calling people Anglo-Saxon when their rulers changed. They did not suddenly change their identity at that point. Dudley Miles (talk) 19:47, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

Well in those days her parents were probably born after the Conquest too. No, perhaps they did not change their identity, but we just stop calling them AS, using "English" instead. That's the usual convention. If not by 1096-98, then when? That's quite simple; when we stop calling people or things "Norman" is a more tricky question. The rest of the sentence makes it clear that an ethnic contrast is being made. Ask at the project if you like, or User:Ealdgyth. Johnbod (talk) 20:11, 16 March 2021 (UTC)