Talk:Chinese people in India

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I disagree with the assumption that the Bengali word for tea, "cha," if influenced from a Chiense Word. Firstly, the word for tea in Persian is "chaa'ey." I beieve that it is much more likely that "cha" comes from "chaa'ey" given the history of Persian language influence in South Asia. I believe an example that illustrates this point is that the word for tea in Pashtu is chaa'ey, chi in Hindi, and chaa'ey Urdu. Unless a reference can be provided for this statement, I move that it be remitted from this article.

Above unsigned remark by User:MathewAa

OED says the English slang char for tea is directly from Chinese. However the word has spread far and wide with the item (compare karaoke), so I'm not in favour of any mention here ascribing special linguistic influence to this community on that evidence. Incidentally, there is an article on chai. William Avery 20:55, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

That's an interesting point you make User:MathewAa. Suniti Chatterji in "The Origin and Devlopment of Bengali Language" (1926, University of Calcutta Press) mentions the word "cha" deriving from the Chinese word. The tea plant is indigenous to a region corresponding to Assam ([1]) state today which was part of Bengal Presidency until the first Partition of the state. It is also a wild native of China and northern Myanmar. Assam region is contiguous with China. In fact, if you see the tea article you'll notice that there are myths in China that tea-drinking actually originated in India. While I understand your concerns that the word might have come to Bengali in a roundabout way three things make one consider otherwise:

1. the lingusitic studies of S. Chatterji,
2. the geographical location of Bengal in proximity to China
3. that cha is not a Chinese-origin word in isolation; chini the Bengali word for sugar is derived from Chinese and unlike any other equivalent in other languages that are often derived from sharkara.

--Antorjal 22:26, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

So it would seem that chini (sugar) would be a more specific illustration to use than chai (tea). Readers with a knowledge of any one of many languages (see chai) will read the cha/chai example and say "Hang on, that's also the word in X, but not because of any special Chinese influence over the language." What is the Chinese word that it derives from? It doesn't sound like 糖. William Avery 07:21, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

I agree. Updated. As far as the root word for chini, I think it might be in Chatterji's book. I'll try to look it up if I can get a hold of the unabridged original version. Thanks.--Antorjal 13:52, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

It sounds like you guys know your stuff. I have no problem leaving it the way it is as long as a reference can be added to the article. What do you guys think?

POV Tag

I'm doing POV tag cleanup. Whenever an POV tag is placed, it is necessary to also post a message in the discussion section stating clearly why it is thought the article does not comply with POV guidelines, and suggestions for how to improve it. This permits discussion and consensus among editors. This is a drive-by tag, which is discouraged in WP, and it shall be removed. Future tags should have discussion posted as to why the tag was placed, and how the topic might be improved. Better yet, edit the topic yourself with the improvements. This statement is not a judgement of content, it is only a cleanup of frivolously and/or arbitrarily placed tags. No discussion, no tag.Jjdon (talk) 21:46, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: page not moved per discussion below. - GTBacchus^(talk) 07:31, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

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Chinese community in India → Chinese Indian — See Chinese American, Chinese Brazilian...--List of largest consumer markets (talk) 12:02, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

• Oppose the proposal as unreferenced and ambiguous. "Chinese Indian" could refer just as easily to Indians in China (cf. British Indian, i.e., Indians in Britain, not British people in India). What's wrong with the current title? — AjaxSmack 00:11, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
• Oppose article is not about ethnic Indians with Chinese citizenship. 64.229.103.44 (talk) 06:01, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
• Comment Chinese Brazilian may need to be renamed. 64.229.103.44 (talk) 06:01, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

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Guys, I have a query...Does the name of the city Chinsurah mean Cheen-Surah...that is the Long road of the Chinese....Cheen=Chinese,surah=long road..did the Chinese settle a long time ago in chinsurah..and why is the bengali culture so common to chinese culture..also so many people look chinese..incl our CM... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.253.51.145 (talk) 02:08, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

The 'opium den, Kolkata, 1945' image shows Chinese in India in a bad light.

And it's the very first (under immigration) image no less. I propose it be either moved down or removed. If I'm mistakenly not seeing it in any context, that context be made clearer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Triswasttu (talk • contribs) 20:17, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

Good point. I replaced it with a drawing of the Chinese Buddhist pilgrim Faxian, which is far more appropriate for that section. -Zanhe (talk) 06:18, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

Population

Unfortunately I haven't come across any data on population from Indian government sources. The Taiwan commission figure seems very high and there is a discussion in the overseas Chinese talk page about its unreliability. I am going to remove that estimate because I think it is not good information and I want to preserve the value of this article. I am going to add the only source I've seen that uses Indian government information:

"According to government sources, many of the Chinese, who now number around an estimated 2,000 across the city, came as immigrants to India in the late 18th century driven by famine inWikipedia:Disambiguation_pages_with_links/The_Daily_Disambig central China." http://www.dw.de/indias-dwindling-chinatown/a-17165098 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thorougpod (talk • contribs) 16:32, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Requested move 4 May 2019

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The result of the move request was: moved (closed by non-admin page mover) DannyS712 (talk) 00:37, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

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Chinese community in India → Chinese people in India – The naming convention "Chinese people in [country]" is much more common than "Chinese community in [country]". See PrefixIndex for Chinese people and Chinese community. The current article title is an anomaly among articles about Chinese diaspora. feminist (talk) 04:47, 4 May 2019 (UTC) --Relisting. SITH (talk) 11:51, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

• Support this move 2601:541:4500:1760:70E4:16B8:FDE9:4F39 (talk) 13:42, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
• Support. I think it's a more natural title, per WP:NATURALNESS. Rreagan007 (talk) 16:55, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

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People Republic of China threaten Chinese people

Many Chinese people in today's world escape to India because of dictotorial and harsh policy of china. Egyptian Kratos (talk) 14:11, 25 May 2019 (UTC)