Talk:Carlton Club

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I am disappointed my edit was deleted without comment. 213.78.204.118 (talk) 16:01, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

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Time Lords at the Cartlon Club?

"However it was bombed by the Luftwaffe in 1941, and so the Club moved to its current premises in 1940" err, right.

Lords Temporal, dear boy ;)

Actually, this is the by-product of two mistakes. My mistake was in misremembering the bombing as 1941 (it was actually 14 October 1940). The second mistake is by the anonymous chappie who keeps inserting wildly aggrandised advertisments about how 'prestigious' the Carlton is, who also keeps reverting to claiming that the Carlton moved to its new building in 1940. Charles Petrie and Alistair Cooke's official history of the Carlton states that the club spent a while after the bombing accepting the hospitality of other clubs, who offered their facilities on a temporary basis, and that they didn't move in to the old Arthur's building until 1943. My copy of Petrie & Cooke is currently in storage, but I'll dig out the reference when I can. Debonairchap (talk) 15:41, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

What happened in 2008?

It say women were associated members till 2008. I presume they were admitted as full members then, but it does not say so. Some account of the thinking involved in the change would also improve the article. 2.28.140.201 (talk) 14:09, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

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Aeneas and Anchises

There is a famous tale of Quintin Hogg (then a young Tory MP, later the "Lord Hailsham" we all remember from when we were growing up), carrying his elderly and disabled Dad (the then Lord Hailsham, previously Douglas Hogg, a Tory politician of the inter-war period) on his back out of a bombed building, like Aeneas carrying Anchises out of the sack of Troy. At least, I'm pretty sure it was the bombing of the Carlton. God knows where it appears - probably Chips Channon's Diaries or something similar. Might make make a useful addition if somebody can remember when and where.Paulturtle (talk) 22:30, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

It's in this Spectator review of Petrie and Cooke's The Carlton Club, 1832-2007. DuncanHill (talk) 22:45, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

And it's in Alistair Horne's biography of Harold Macmillan, ascribed to Harold Nicolson. He has the younger Hogg escorting the older, rather than carrying him. DuncanHill (talk) 22:49, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

And Churchill tells it in Their Finest Hour, as well as the comment from Labour cabinet members on the lack of fatalities "The devil looks after his own". DuncanHill (talk) 22:56, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

Ah. I do have a copy of Harold Nicolson's diaries, but alas boxed up somewhere.Paulturtle (talk) 01:02, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

Chips Channon was not an eyewitness (he was entertaining Rab and Sydney Butler to dinner) but recorded Harold Balfour turning up at his house covered in soot from the bombing. Will add shortly.Paulturtle (talk) 21:17, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

Misleading Duke of Wellington quote

As mentioned in the opening paragraph the Duke of Wellington was the founder of the club. He remained a member for life. It is very confusing to then have him listed under Conservatives that didn't appreciate the club with the presumably joking quote “Never write a letter to your mistress, and never join the Carlton Club”, with no further explanation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.232.245.90 (talk) 11:57, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

Former changed to Then

Iain Duncan Smith wasn't the "Former" leader of the Conservative Party when he declined membership. He was the then leader. That was the reason why his decision was noteworthy.

I really wish people would stop using today's definition of people when referring to them at a time in the past when today's definition didn't apply. Calling some former when either they were at the time the current office-holder, or a future one later on at best causes confusion. At worst it is misleading. Please be precise and accurate and leave no room for ambiguity. FearÉIREANN\^(caint) 04:03, 10 December 2023 (UTC)