Talk:Capitol Hill, Saipan

Requested move

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The result of the proposal was no consensus. --BDD (talk) 23:59, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Capital Hill, Saipan → Capitol Hill, Northern Mariana Islands – The Original Was Spelled Incorrectly And Didn't Specify The Territory. Relisted Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 03:10, 2 January 2014 (UTC) Sparkyb10123 (talk) 03:11, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

• Oppose both the spelling and the location change without more evidence but am open to such. According to both of the links from the article (USGS and the CNMI govt), the spelling is "Capital". Although many other sources (including primary ones such as this) these should be weighed carefully before a move. As far as the disambiguator goes, Capita/ol Hill is a settlement within the municipality of Saipan and not a subdivision of the CNMI. See Capitol Hill (disambiguation)/Capital Hill for similar cases. —  AjaxSmack  03:06, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

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for It is Capitol, Hill. The spelling in the original is wrong. -sparkyb10123

How is it wrong since the Governors office and the USGS, say the place and address is Capital Hill? Alanscottwalker (talk) 23:12, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

Your evidence? - sparkyb10123

Uh, the article's sources. But if you need me to also transfer them here: www.gov.mp and [1] Alanscottwalker (talk) 23:21, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

also check this out! [2] - sparkyb10123

That suggests there is something called Capitol Hill House, which would not preclude it being in or on Capital Hill. Alanscottwalker (talk) 23:24, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

Article name redux

The issue of whether the article should be called "Capital Hill" or "Capitol Hill" should still be discussed by a wider group of editors. Although sources in the article use "Capital", most usage on the ground is "Capitol". See photos at commons:Category:Capitol Hill, Saipan for examples. —  AjaxSmack  22:40, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

Why is it difficult to imagine a store owner on Capital Hill calling his market Capitol Hill - businesses play with names often, don't they? Alanscottwalker (talk) 23:17, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

I'd guess he's referring to images like this one, which presumably show the work of the local government. Parsecboy (talk) 23:27, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

OK but it is still a primary source and does not preclude there being things called Capitol Hill in/on or near Capital Hill. Alanscottwalker (talk) 23:45, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

For those citing GNIS, consider this. I'd be inclined to treat the capit'a'l use as bureacratic carelessness. For that matter, there is also this. older ≠ wiser 00:28, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

According to [3] they are two different hills. Alanscottwalker (talk) 00:41, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

Possible but highly unlikely. More likely it is just two information sources overlaid on the viewer. This USGS print map uses "Capitol". —  AjaxSmack  02:17, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

• Capitol Hill - also per the postal service. The other source for using an 'a' also seems guilty of carelessness. Dig a little deeper on http://gov.mp/ than the address at the top of the home page. Most of the press releases use 'o' and the one using 'a' is clearly an outlier. As for Capital Hill it seems that only those who {{use Australian English}} use an 'a'. - Wbm1058 (talk) 01:01, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
• Also support the RM to Capitol Hill, Northern Mariana Islands. Northern Mariana Islands is the territory with 2-character postal abbreviation MP. We don't title Edgartown, Martha's Vineyard, its Edgartown, Massachusetts, on the island Martha's Vineyard. Wbm1058 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 01:15, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
  • The sources you gave support "Capitol Hill, Saipan", The press releases all read such and the post office is said to be in "Saipan, MP". This is a little like Flushing, Queens, Back Bay, Boston, Brentwood, Los Angeles, or Pacific Heights, San Francisco, i.e. a section of a larger municipality (in this case Saipan). The same practice is used for other settlements on Saipan such as San Vicente, Saipan. —  AjaxSmack  02:17, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

    OK, this is a little counter-intuitive, but on further review I think you're right, per template:Northern Mariana Islands and the related articles, the Northern Mariana Islands are not divided into counties, but rather into four municipalities. Saipan is both an island and a municipality. The article says that Capitol Hill "is a settlement on the island of Saipan". This is true, but for clarity it should also say that it is one of 31 "official" villages within the municipality of Saipan. Per template:US state capitals and the articles, the municipality Saipan is the capital of the Northern Mariana Islands, not the village of Capitol Hill. So the statement in this article that it is "the island group's capital" should be corrected. A better analogy is that this article is equivalent to Capitol Hill, which is just a neighborhood within Washington, D.C.. The equivalent to D.C. here is Saipan.

• • • I think you're clear at this point to submit a technical request to move this to Capitol Hill, Saipan if you want to, which is where it was before someone moved it to Capital Hill, Saipan based on the US GNIS data, which I think others above have shown to be the least reliable source we have. - Wbm1058 (talk) 14:39, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
      • I just made such a technical request. We'll see what happens. —  AjaxSmack  20:14, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

• Support Capitol Hill, Saipan - Capit'a'l Hill seems to be bureaucratic carelessness based on the variety of sources presented above, and Saipan rather than NMI seems to be the better dab per Ajax's comment above. Parsecboy (talk) 15:23, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

Move logs

• 00:14, 7 January 2009‎ Grutness Created page with 'Capitol Hill is a settlement on the island of Saipan in the Northern Mariana Islands. It has been the island group's centre of government since 1962. ...')
• 00:39, 21 December 2009 The Tom moved page Capitol Hill, Saipan to Capital Hill, Saipan ("Capital", not "Capitol", per US GNIS.)
• 20:24, 9 January 2014 Sparkyb10123 moved page Capital Hill, Saipan to Capital of the nmi
• 20:25, 9 January 2014 Sparkyb10123 moved page Capital of the nmi to Capitol Hill, Northern Mariana Islands
• 06:19, 10 January 2014 Anthony Appleyard moved page Capitol Hill, Northern Mariana Islands to Capital Hill, Saipan (Requested at WP:RM as uncontroversial (permalink))

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