Talk:British support for Israel in the Israel–Hamas war
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editCan't edit this page however the current tone seems very biased - it does not reflect the extremely small scale of UK arms exports to Israel, and seems to imply that they are huge. British Ministers have stated that UK arms exports amount to only 0.02% of Israel's military imports (https://hansard.parliament.uk/pdf/commons/2024-03-26), and this is mostly limited to parts for the American-supplied F-35 which they are contractually obligated to provide.
Additionally, I don't believe this article currently accurately reflects the UK's political position on the conflict. They have been calling for a ceasefire for some time (https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/the-uk-has-long-called-for-an-immediate-humanitarian-pause-leading-to-a-sustainable-ceasefire-as-the-fastest-way-to-get-hostages-out-and-aid-in-uk-s) and while they do "support the Israeli right to self-defence" they have stated that this is "not unconditional" and that they "expect [them] to abide by international humanitarian law, even when challenged in this way" (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68751550). The article seems to suggest UK support for Israel is akin to that of the US, when the UK has, for example, been abstaining from UN votes rather than voting against like the US (https://news.un.org/en/story/2023/12/1144717) Flobberz (talk) 12:36, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Absolutely! The UK’s arms support to Israel is dwarfed by American arms exports to Israel and also Israel’s very large domestic arms industry, which is currently the world’s 9th largest. Bean guy2 (talk) 21:37, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
Requested move 8 July 2024
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British support for Israel in the Israel–Hamas war → United Kingdom and the Israel–Hamas war – Not only match two other articles, Qatar and the United States about their role in this war, but a word like "support" isn't neutral even if the UK policy is to support Israel in this conflict. The article does make mention of opposition to the government support for Israel, therefore this isn't solely about support for Israel. The title should be reflected in a more precise manner than an outright position of support or opposition in the title. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 22:58, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom Kowal2701 (talk) 18:55, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom Jebiguess (talk) 22:05, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose for now. We do have United States support for Israel in the Israel–Hamas war, Qatari support for Hamas, British support for Iraq during the Iran–Iraq War, United States support for Ukraine in the Russian invasion of Ukraine, United States support for Iraq during the Iran–Iraq War, Israeli support for Iran during the Iran–Iraq war, French support for Iraq during the Iran–Iraq War, North Korean support for Iran during the Iran–Iraq War, Alleged Pakistani support for Osama bin Laden etc. The title you are proposing is quite contrary to WP:CONSISTENT.VR (Please ping on reply) 00:07, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- The U.S. Ukraine article was moved by a new user whom I've reverted. However, both the U.S. article and U.K. article about this war include government policy to support Israel but are not just about that support. This does include opposition to the policy. Articles for the Iran-Iraq War only mention government policy throughout and nothing about opposition to said policy. Therefore, a title like that for those articles is fine. The Bin Laden one is more of a notable accusation that Pakistan's government has faced for years and is not really an article about a war, but a related topic in regard to the War on Terror. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 13:01, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- The British government position has been overwhelmingly in support of Israel and against Palestinians. Unlike the US supplying weapons to both Iran and Iraq during the Iran-Iraq war, the British government has exclusively supplied weapons to Israel. We need to call a WP:SPADE a spade.VR (Please ping on reply) 15:07, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- The U.S. Ukraine article was moved by a new user whom I've reverted. However, both the U.S. article and U.K. article about this war include government policy to support Israel but are not just about that support. This does include opposition to the policy. Articles for the Iran-Iraq War only mention government policy throughout and nothing about opposition to said policy. Therefore, a title like that for those articles is fine. The Bin Laden one is more of a notable accusation that Pakistan's government has faced for years and is not really an article about a war, but a related topic in regard to the War on Terror. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 13:01, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
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This article needs serious updating now that the UK government has changed. (like changing PM to then-PM, foreign secretary to then-FM, etc.) Yeshivish613 (talk) 16:34, 9 July 2024 (UTC)