Talk:Children of Bodom

Extreme power metal

Why not just put extreme power metal instead of just power metal? would that make everyone happy? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.112.177.129 (talk) 19:16, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

How would that make anyone happy? The term "extreme power metal" was a term invented by DragonForce and is not even a real genre. Not to mention, CoB are much heavier than DragonForce as they part power metal with melodic death metal. • GunMetal Angel 19:18, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not about making everyone happy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.181.140.88 (talk) 17:58, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Neo-classical (early material)

Notably the album "Something Wild." A lot of very classical-sounding riffs and licks, and even a few Mozart tributes. Ehh? Who's with me! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.227.230.232 (talk) 18:39, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Similarly-named upcoming 2011 album

British metal band, Asking Alexandria's 2011 full-length is going to be titled Reckless and Relentless, while Children of Bodom's 2011 album is going to be titled Relentless Reckless Forever. We may need a distinction between these two articles when they are made. • GunMetal Angel 19:16, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

I'm confused, why would there need to be a distinction? Both titles are distinct enough as it is. – Kerαunoςcopia^◁_galaxies 23:52, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

I mean adding in a distinguish hatnote at the top of each article (i.e: "not to be confused with ——"). • GunMetal Angel 03:59, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

I don't believe that is needed, especially without evidence that anyone is getting the two titles mixed up. They are both sufficiently different enough that I don't foresee a problem, either. – Kerαunoςcopia^◁_galaxies 06:32, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

It was generally a suggestion. • GunMetal Angel 07:03, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

I understood. I'm glad you brought it up, and if it does end up confusing anyone, then there will be a legitimate need. – Kerαunoςcopia^◁_galaxies 07:55, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

Genre section

I think it shouldn't just be melodic death metal, power metal. Melodic death metal is their primary genre, power metal isn't anymore... it's adventitious, just like black metal, and neo-classical metal, which isn't put in the genre section. it should eater be like:

Genres: Melodic death metal or Genres: Melodic death metal, power metal, black metal, neo-classical metal — Preceding unsigned comment added by ETFFAN123 (talk • contribs) 21:04, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

An edit made by myself yesterday was undone, and the reviewing author referred to my contribution as "crap". It is my humble opinion that this violates the law that all interaction between Wikipedia members be civil. Regardless, the matter at hand is that the source used was Metal-Archives.com, /the/ authoritative reference for metal bands. At the page corresponding to the band in question, their genre is listed as "melodic death/power metal" - thus, I request the more frequent contributors to this band's article to take this into account. Does my edit stand? Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.23.235.228 (talk) 13:31, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

THEY ARE NOT A POWER METAL BAND!!

They are a melodic death metal band! Gamma ray and Hammerfall are power metal bands, but CoB is not a power metal band!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.224.156.58 (talk) 15:49, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Name Origin

I was just reading about the child murders at Lake Bodom near Helsinki in 1960, and I can't help but thinking it's not a coincidence. Does anybody have any information or statements made by members of the band about the origin of the name of the band? I think it would be a very interesting addition this page.

Here is the link to what I was just reading. The Lake Bodom Murders is the second one down: http://wikipicks.blogspot.com/2011/10/remain-unsolved-murders.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kire1975 (talk • contribs) 15:55, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

You mean beyond what's already mentioned in the formation section of the article? —C.Fred (talk) 16:07, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

The formation section is a wall of text. I just read it again and I saw nothing about the origin of the name. Kire1975 (talk) 05:07, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Last paragraph of the section. "When they stumbled upon Lake Bodom, they realized that it was a name with impact and one which had an interesting story behind it. A long list of possible names involving the word Bodom was then made, and they settled with Children of Bodom. The band's name is derived from the Lake Bodom murders." COBHC.com FAQs cited as source. —C.Fred (talk) 23:45, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Symphonic Black Metal

I think this genre should be added because in their official website they say "Finnish black metal band; includes news, biographies, pictures, discography, videos and reviews." and because they use keyboards in their music, so I'll add that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.10.138.33 (talk) 14:25, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

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Chip-on-board edit request

I'd like to ask for this article to be edited so that when a person arrives here after typing "CoB" in the search box he/ she will also be shown "CoB redirects here. For the chip-on-board microchip technology, see Electronic_packaging#Glop-top.". CoB is a common abbreviation for chip-on-board, and the redirect does not make this clear to the reader. Please fix. Also, I have no conflict of interest here. I just don't wish to be suspected of making any direct edits to any articles for the time being. Thanks. KDS4444 (talk) 08:51, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

Honestly, I'm not convinced that there is a WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for "CoB." There are many organizations that could conceivably claim the abbreviation, including Company of Biologists, Church of the Brethren, Chief of the Boat, and the aforementioned Children of Bodom. COB redirects to the disambiguation page Cob, and CoB used to point to the disambiguation page also. It is time to return CoB to that proper status. Altamel (talk) 22:24, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

Very old unsourced content

I removed content from this page that has been unsourced and tagged as such for 17.5 years. This was reverted [1] with edsum that the removal also removed context. Let's look at each paragraph, as I do not think that is the case for all of them:

Wirman was the component which was previously missing from Inearthed. His presence allowed the band to assume the style which would later characterize Children of Bodom. With Wirman, the band successfully recorded their first album in 1997. Their debut, Something Wild, was supposed to be released by a small Belgian label, Shiver Records, but second vocalist Sami Tenetz (from Thy Serpent) acquired a copy of their album through the hands of Kuoppala, who worked for the same company at the time. Shortly after Inearthed signed this contract, Spinefarm Records became interested in signing them for a country-wide release. The latter deal was much more attractive to the band since the Belgian label offered little help, to the point where they would have to distribute and sell the album themselves.

I cut from "Their debut..." However, none of this is sourced, and this is all opinion about Wirman. Whose opinion? The article is largely written like an essay, and this is a prime example. This is not encyclopaedic information. I propose therefore to instead cut the whole paragraph.

Something Wild was produced, recorded and mixed by Anssi Kippo and Children of Bodom at Astia-studios (Lappeenranta, Finland). In an attempt to promote their band, they opened a show for Dimmu Borgir in 1997. Their success was such that a representative from the Nuclear Blast label approached them with a contract for a European release, a deal which started on the subsequent year. Something Wild was released in late 1997 in Finland and in 1998 worldwide. In early 1998, for promotional purposes, the band recorded a music video of the song "Deadnight Warrior". The video was directed by Mika Lindberg and had a slim budget of €1000. It made use of simple scenery, which consisted essentially of an outdoors location after a snowstorm. The band played for a couple of hours at night, with an average temperature of minus fifteen degrees Celsius.

I cut only In an attempt to promote their band, they opened a show for Dimmu Borgir in 1997. Their success was such that a representative from the Nuclear Blast label approached them with a contract for a European release, a deal which started on the subsequent year. This is the unsourced claim. Perhaps In an attempt to promote their band, they opened a show for Dimmu Borgir in 1997. could remain. I see why you may be concerned about context here, because we have a specific claim that the only reason that the release of Something Wild was contracted was because of their opening that show. But if that is so, there must be a source to that effect. We don't have any evidence that the contract was given for this reason, and that the opening of the show may have been incidental to existing recognition for some other reason.

Children of Bodom's first European tour began in February 1998. They played with bands such as Hypocrisy (at such festivals as Under the Black Sun), The Kovenant and Agathodaimon, but suffered from the absence of Wirman, who was concentrating on finishing his studies. He was replaced by pianist Erna Siikavirta for the duration of the tour.

I removed the whole paragraph. but suffered from the absence of Wirman, who was concentrating on finishing his studies appears to be the most dubious clause. This could be pared back to "but Wirman was replaced on the tour by pianist Erna Siikavirta" which should be easily verifiable. If a source exists that says it was because he was studying, we can cite that. Otherwise I propose to make that change, but note that none of this is sourced.

Months later, the band recorded two new songs again at Astia-studios with producer Anssi Kippo, titled "Towards Dead End" and "Children of Bodom". The latter was included in a compilation by Spinefarm Records, which after being released remained on the top of Finnish charts for eight consecutive weeks. In late August, the band played the song "Forevermore" live for the first time during a show in Russia. This song was later renamed "Downfall"

I removed only the tagged claim: The latter was included in a compilation by Spinefarm Records, which after being released remained on the top of Finnish charts for eight consecutive weeks. Removing that does not remove context. It removes a related claim that one of their songs was in a compilation, and the compilation (but not the song) was a hit. I don't think that is due. Removing it certainly does not damage the context of the rest of the paragraph. I propose to remove it again. On a more general note, this page contains a number of other unsourced claims that are not being addressed. We have a more citations tag in there, but I wonder if, in the light of there being quite a few citations, it would be better to remove that banner and tag unsourced claims individually. There would be quite a lot of these, but then a second though: the page is written in an essay style, with opinion in wikivoice. Some of it is discussed above. A lot of the unsourced material throughout could be pared back to encyclopaedic summary style. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 07:59, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

As there is no reply on the above and per WP:SILENCE, I'll make the above changes. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 17:32, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Adding more influences

I think that the influences list is incomplete. There were more bands that they cited as influence, such as: Metallica, Iron Maiden, Slayer, Pantera, Sepultura, and many others. If you want, I can attach the ref link to prove that. I would like to get an answer about the changes that should be made ASAP. Thank you. Loyal to Metal (talk) 07:01, 27 October 2024 (UTC)