Talk:Blue Fugates

Merger

Where is the consensus to merge this into Methemoglobinemia? It was proposed, but I couldn't find any official vote on it or any positive response to the merger suggestion. There are at least two votes against this. Torc2 01:07, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

I couldn't even find any discussion at all about the merger. Torc2 cites two votes against a merger, but I do not know where these votes are. If someone knows, please say so. And I am for a merge because the Methemoglobinemia article has all of the information that this article has. --Nanobri 01:19, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

The only discussion I could find is on the Methemoglobinemia talk page. Torc2 01:26, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Also, the link on Fugate genealogical history would not be appropriate for the Methemoglobinemia. This article might be a stub and have room to add information, but it's not synonymous with the disease. Torc2 01:30, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

The Fugates are notable only because of the disease. They didn't even become famous because of the disease and then go on to do something else; the disease is really the only thing notable about them. Jadine (talk) 01:11, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Merged page

Kville105125 03:19, 14 October 2007 (UTC) I finished the merger.

Merger proposal

Against - OK, since there's no record of the previous merge proposal being voted upon or approved, let's just start over from scratch. I'm adding this to the proposed merge list, with my comments that I'm personally against the merger, but I want to give it a fair chance so we don't just keep edit warring. Torc2 04:31, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

For - The Blue Fugates article is entirely redundant with respect to the info the Methemoglobinemia article, and has not been added to for over a year. --Nanobri 17:50, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Against - Most amateur genealogists and geneticists know of the Blue Fugates as referrant, even if they are not sure how to spell Methemoglobinemia. Besides, there are thousands and thousands of Fugates who might Wiki their names, and no one I know named Methemoglobinemia. Keep It Simple. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.86.82.90 (talk) 02:26, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

For - Currently the entire content of the Blue Fugates article belongs in the methemoglobinemia article. Unless someone wants to expand it substantially, which doesn't appear to be the case, it should be merged. Blue Fugates would be an appropriate redirect to methemoglobinemia, and this would fully address the above concern. Jadine (talk) 01:04, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

For I would also like to have "Argyria" referred to here in case someone looks up that term by checking for blue people. Thanks. Mimi —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.250.69.78 (talk) 20:13, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Against I might be able to expand it a little bit. I have a good sized article on the Blue Fugates and what/who they were. I would really like to add it in. MrSpectacles (talk) 04:39, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

• Time to wrap this merger up or move on. We are clearing old backlogs of merger tags. I suggest that we have a vote too close to call, so it might be good to advertise the proposal or persuade the opponents. Cheers! --Kevin Murray (talk) 01:22, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Against - Although it would be nice for the Fugate article to be expanded using the linked sources, a current absence of such is no reason to merge them into the disease article with the concommitant forced stubbiness of discussion of their family history. -LlywelynII (talk) 14:41, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

• Support Merge - This article is just a little stub that is revolving primarily around metHGemia. If and when there is more information about the family it can be split back up and expanded to a new article. However, little work has been done for months. I would like to see a redirect of their name left here pointing to the section in metHGemia, but currently, there is not enough content for this to stand on its own. Chaldor (talk) 20:13, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Against - I agree that the Fugate article needs expansion. This is one of the very early families in America, with some Native American members, especially Dakota Sioux. I actually know some Fugates, (the ones in Troublesome Creek, KY) as well as some possible links. The Fugate family is small & rather inbred. It has some notable members, including Caril Ann Fugate notorious as the youngest woman ever tried for 1st degree murder; a ballerina with the Met; a top Hollywood screenwriter; a pilot that flew with the Blue Angels & a well-known artist, Terry Fugate-Wilcox. An enormous amount of research on metHGemia has done specifically with the Fugate family, because of the effects of inbreeding on the emergence of the gene. MarcPasquale (talk) 16:48, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Against My husband was born a "Blue Fugate", was abandoned by his mother, because she thought he was a freak, but went on to become a renouned artist, Terry Fugate-Wilcox. (He was later adopted by his stepfather, who added the "Wilcox" to his name.) The family is the quintessential example of the condition, (it is not really a desease). Anyone wanting to know more about it would look for the famous "Blue Fugates" of Troublsome Creek. Most of the reseach on this condition centered around that family. (p.s. I only discovered this & the proposal to merge, because I Googled them for some research I am doing.)Fvlcrvm (talk) 17:47, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Support Merge I think this article should be re-directed over to the methemoglobinemia article and the information included there. I think that this stub doesn't offer any unique information other than describing a specific case where methemoglobinemia was reoccurringly passed on directly within a specific family tree. I think it would be helpful to include this family and their situation within the methemoglobinemia article, but to have it as it's own is a bit ridiculous, and fails the notability requirement of an article. I also have read the merged information and find it to be an acceptable reference to the situation. I also am suspicious of the previous 2 posts for Against due to the short time period between the postings, as well as what appears to be a pattern of Conflict of Interest by both usernames. 216.211.255.98 (talk) 16:50, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Untitled

Note: this is an unmerge: there's already significantly more here than the mere stub in the Methemoglobinemia article, which merely refers to their disease, and there's a lot more that can be written about to expand this. Cawein dug out an entire family history, which has now been reported on by multiple reliable sources, and surely meets the notability criteria. -- The Anome (talk) 08:48, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

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Any relation to Melungeon community?

I am not trying to start a rumor. But I just wondered if anybody has investigated the background of Blue Fugates and the Melungeon DNA Project. If anybody knows of research on this topic, whether results are positive or negative, that could be worth adding to the article. Pete unseth (talk) 00:23, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Did not find the Science article

Hi,

The "Science nov. 1982" has been added manually on this source. I don't find this supposedly Science article. Anyone does ? Simon Villeneuve (talk) 13:18, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

Ok, it's not Science, but Science 82. Did not find it too. And the painting seems do be an artist view of the family, and not, as the legend in the article can let believe, a painting of the family done c. 1820. Simon Villeneuve (talk) 17:03, 29 October 2022 (UTC)