This article is within the scope of WikiProject Event Venues, a project which is currently considered to be inactive.Event VenuesWikipedia:WikiProject Event VenuesTemplate:WikiProject Event VenuesEvent Venues articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Food and drink, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of food and drink related articles on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Food and drinkWikipedia:WikiProject Food and drinkTemplate:WikiProject Food and drinkFood and drink articles
Delete unrelated trivia sections found in articles. Please review WP:Trivia and WP:Handling trivia to learn how to do this.
Add the {{WikiProject Food and drink}} project banner to food and drink related articles and content to help bring them to the attention of members. For a complete list of banners for WikiProject Food and drink and its child projects, select here.
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Oregon, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of the U.S. state of Oregon on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.OregonWikipedia:WikiProject OregonTemplate:WikiProject OregonOregon articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject United States, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of topics relating to the United States of America on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the ongoing discussions.
It is requested that an image or photograph of Berbati's Pan be included in this article to improve its quality. Please replace this template with a more specific media request template where possible.
Latest comment: 1 year ago7 comments3 people in discussion
Per the sources already given in the article, Berbati's Pan was a nightclub that operated from 1994 to 2010 and briefly operated as a nightclub called Ted's at some period between 2010 and 2012. A restaurant/bar operated from 1985 to at least 2015, (maybe with some distruptions after 2010?) and the space was sold in 2015 to new owners who wanted to keep a restaurant/bar operating. Plantdrew (talk) 04:34, 28 December 2022 (UTC)Reply
Was Ted's the same owner, just a name change of the venue? Berbati's Pan is strictly till 2010. If you want to make a change, you'd have to qualify the distinction. Leitmotiv (talk) 18:28, 28 December 2022 (UTC)Reply
I suppose not. I'm constantly confused as to how most articles require notable secondary sources, which this supplies, but in the case of this article, it's not good enough. I can understand more scientifically rigid articles having a stricter requirement. To my laymen's eyes it appears the goalposts are being moved. Suddenly the notability is not what's important, but the lasting effect on culture, which seems rather subjective. Is culture not measured by notability in articles, at least in part? Leitmotiv (talk) 20:36, 10 January 2023 (UTC)Reply
@Leitmotiv In my humble opinion, the tag was added after a ridiculous discussion. Regardless, the tag has been removed once and now an editor has added a tag again. I guess I'm asking, are you comfortable removing the tag if you feel the topic is notable based on secondary coverage? ---Another Believer(Talk)21:51, 10 January 2023 (UTC)Reply
@Another Believer:, well that is what I was trying to get at with the Timeline thread above. "Berbati's Pan" (the title of this article) is a nightclub that operated from 1994 to 2010. The nightclub was associated with a restaurant ("Berbati") that operated from 1985 to 2015ish. The 1985 to 2010 years of operation currently in the lead of this article does not correspond to the nightclub nor to the restaurant. Categories for years of establishment/disestablishment would depend on sorting out whether this is an article about the restaurant, the nightclub, or both (I'd say the primary claim to notability is for the nightclub). Plantdrew (talk) 05:58, 13 January 2023 (UTC)Reply