Talk:Arzamas (website)

Advice requested in #wikipedia-en-help

• External links should be added to an External Links and formatted like this

Example Website

Instead of like this:

Example Website: https://example.org

• Information needs to be verifiable, so you may want to add references to reliable sources.

• The topic of the article needs to verifiably meet WP:GNG or other notability guidelines - Flori4nKT A L K 15:13, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

Owners

From what I read so far, i wouldn’t say it’s correct to call Dzyadko an owner, what do you think?--DonGuess (talk) 21:55, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

I guess you're right but if he founded it wouldn't he also own it? I skimmed the articles. Flalf^Talk 22:35, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

Copy from teahouse “where to ask about my draft Arzamas”” topic

Hello, which talk page is the right one to ask for feedback about Draft:Arzamas (website) on? DonGuess (talk) 20:20, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

DonGuess, it would be impossible to give a definitive advice on the draft's notability without an ability to read Russian. So, I am thinking WT:RUSSIA is likely the best place to ask whether the draft is likely to be accepted (one or two regulars of the Teahouse also understand Russian; so you might get an answer here too when luck favours). General content advice is given here, or at the AFC Help Desk or even by individual experienced editors who can find the time. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 21:56, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Right here is not a bad place to ask. i can't evaluate the sources that are in Russian. But the two in English look pretty good. They include detailed independent coverage. If some of the non-English sources are of comparable quality, or one or two comparable English-language sources could be added, notability looks good, IMO. The article text needs to be fleshed out. There are lots of facts in the already cited sources to use, and there may be more in other sources. Please do continue with this.

One formatting tip. Don 't use |first= and |last= in cites when the name of the actual person who wrote the source is not known, these are only for a person's name. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 21:59, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for your help! Hmm, I don’t think I used anything like “firs/last”, but I’ll check. Also a general question about sources: would it be right to presume that russian-language sources are partly accessible for those who don’t know the language since you can translate it with, for example, google translator? Regards.--DonGuess (talk) 22:11, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

DonGuess It was there and I changed it in this edit. I didn't check who inserted it originally. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 00:32, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

Google translate is really still not good enough. It still sometimes badly distorts the meaning of a translated text, I understand, although less often than it used to. Nor does every reader know how to use it. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 00:35, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

@DonGuess: Could you please expand the Awards section with some translations, so the English-only readers can understand? The "References" should come before the "External links" section per Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Layout. If the draft is approved, then the link to English Wikipedia article and Russian Wikipedia article would be linked at this Wikidata item, so you wouldn't need the link in the "External links" section. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 23:04, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

More on awards

For each award listed, please indicate who gives or gave the award (usually some organization), unless the award has its own Wikipedia article which is linked and provides that information. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 23:58, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

Is the article ready to be submitted for a review?

What do you think Flalf? (I just don’t know at what point should you submit it, but as I understand, the article doesn’t need to be completed to do that. DonGuess (talk) 00:21, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

I would suggest adding a bit more detail on what the website actually does, and perhaps its reception, first. That seems to be in the already cited sources, so it shouldn't be hard. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 00:29, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

I'd agree with Siegel, not quite yet, but we'll be there soon! Flalf^Talk 12:39, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

Non-English refs

Please use the |trans-title= parameter on non-English refs to give the title translated into English, if possible. Please use the |language= parameter on all non-English refs. consider using nthe |quote= parameter as well, please. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 00:27, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

DES, where can I find instructions on how to use these parameters? DonGuess (talk) 07:34, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

See {{Cite Web}} and {{Cite News}} and the documentation for the other Cite xxx templates. These parameters are the same across all the Cite templates.

• Here is an example of a citation of a source not in English:

• {{cite web |url=http://www.example.org/ |title=Honi soit qui mal y pense |last=Joliet |first=François |date=30 April 2005 |access-date=4 May 2024 |language=French |trans-title=Shame on those who think evil of it}}

  Joliet, François (30 April 2005). "Honi soit qui mal y pense" [Shame on those who think evil of it] (in French). Retrieved 4 May 2024.

• Here is an example using the quote parameter.

• {{cite web |url=http://www.webexhibits.org/daylightsaving/c.html |title=Daylight saving time: rationale and original idea |website=WebExhibits |date=2008 |access-date=4 May 2024 |quote=... Lord Balfour came forward with a unique concern: 'Supposing some unfortunate lady was confined with twins ...'}}

  "Daylight saving time: rationale and original idea". WebExhibits. 2008. Retrieved 4 May 2024. ... Lord Balfour came forward with a unique concern: 'Supposing some unfortunate lady was confined with twins ...'

I hope that is helpful. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 12:15, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

Editor-in-chief

Filip Dzyadko is stated to be editor-in-chief on the same page as the English course, but also in russian on “about” page as, if translated exactly, main editor. I’ll see and clear this out, later DonGuess (talk) 17:06, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

Courses

My computer broke so I can’t contribute as much but I think the article would be more navigable if you only listed three of the sources instead of the many. Flalf^Talk 02:35, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

I would, but unfortunately there is a lot of information that is only in russian-language sources DonGuess (talk) 19:41, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Andrei Leonidovich Zorin

Hello! We have an article titled Andrei Zorin on Wikipedia, which is for Andrei Andreyevich Zorin (soccer player). To avoid any ambiguity, should we change "Andrei Zorin" to "Andrei Leonidovich Zorin" (professor and chair of Russian at the University of Oxford) in the sentence in the history section? Мастер Шторм (talk) 16:06, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for accepting this suggestion. Thanks, Мастер Шторм (talk) 21:25, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

Resubmitting

I submitted the article for a review again after editing it a little and making the style more neutral.--DonGuess (talk) 23:17, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

one more interview, leaving here to not forget

https://www.culturepartnership.eu/en/article/filipp-dzyadko

--DonGuess (talk) 21:40, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

A Question About Ukraine

What is the website's stance on Ukraine? 2401:D800:4F4:212D:A952:A726:D667:4716 (talk) 04:10, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

Looks like they made an anti-war statement on facebook (not availiable now). Dzyadko also mentioned that around 10% of Arzamas audience comes from Ukraine and expressed grief about the Russian aggression even before 2022. But not like there's anything to add to the article right now. Myuno (talk) 17:21, 28 June 2022 (UTC)