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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Support per WP:NCPDAB "Years of birth and death are not normally used as disambiguators (readers are more likely to be seeking this information than to already know it), although this may be necessary when there are multiple people with the same name and tag". So the birth year is needed and the usual DAB when further disambiguation than the occupation is needed. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:13, 1 September 2019 (UTC)Reply
Oppose as unnecessary WP:OVERPRECISION of a title. There are not multiple people with the same name and tag; only one is tagged "Canadian musician". No one is going to recognize this musician by his birth date, and since he gets <10% of the drummer's pageviews (2 per day), virtually no one is getting confused. For the rare person who is, the hatnote on this article is all we need. Station1 (talk) 22:27, 1 September 2019 (UTC)Reply
I see no evidence that the drummer is referred to as a "Canadian musician", at least not primarily. "Drummer" seems to be a much more recognizable qualifier for him. Changing qualifiers to birth year for both will make it more difficult for readers to tell them apart, not less. There may be a better qualifier for this article than "Canadian musician", but adding a year doesn't help. Station1 (talk) 02:33, 3 September 2019 (UTC)Reply
The current setup seems to be working fine. As you say, people typing Andy or Andrew Scott get to the dab page where it's clear who's who. For the few others, hatnotes are in place. There's no evidence of anyone getting lost. If you want to move things around, that could work just as well (although Andy Scott (musician) would still need a hatnote to distinguish him from Andrew Scott (drummer)). My main concern is to not start adding obscure birth years all over the place. Adding to one article, like this proposal, adds nothing but overprecision. Adding to 2 or more, unless they are generational or centuries apart, usually makes the subjects less recognizable to most readers. Station1 (talk) 15:24, 4 September 2019 (UTC)Reply
Finding a one-word qualifier for the current nomination is a challenge since all three musicians named "Andrew Scott" are Canadian and play the guitar, although one of them {Andrew Scott (drummer)} is best known as a drummer and should remain unchanged. Two of them (the drummer and the currently-nominated folk guitarist) are also vocalists and songwriters, causing those descriptions to be eliminated as incomplete dabs.
My suggestion for the current nomination would be Andrew Scott (folk guitarist), thus disambiguating him from the third musician, Andrew Scott (Canadian jazz guitarist), who should then be moved to simply Andrew Scott (jazz guitarist). As a result, no musician named ""Andrew Scott" would need to use a qualifier which indicates his birth year or describes him as Canadian, unless we'd want to emphasize, within their qualifiers, the different nationalities of the three musicians named "Andy Scott", two of whom are English and one is Welsh. Then, all three Canadians should also have their nationality specified within their qualifiers. —Roman Spinner(talk • contribs)17:20, 4 September 2019 (UTC)Reply
I think "folk guitarist" is certainly more recognizable than his birth year. "Singer-songwriter" might also work if we just want to get rid of "Canadian". Station1 (talk) 06:17, 7 September 2019 (UTC)Reply
Although the drummer occasionally sings and writes songs, it's not clear that he's 'known' for that. But "folk guitarist" is just as good for here, as is any imperfect qualifier that is unique and reasonably recognizable. Hatnotes take care of the rest. Station1 (talk) 21:55, 9 September 2019 (UTC)Reply
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