Talk:Andrés Avelino Cáceres

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All right, lets get this thing started. I see that the infobox has already been created. I for one am having some difficulty finding information on Caceres.-Jersey Devil 04:44, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Spanish Wikipedia is a good start. Looks like you may have already added some stuff from there. --Descendall 00:03, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

I should add that I know that the Peru Reader has an interestin article in it about Cáceres' role in the War of the Pacific. The article mainly deals with Cáceres' attempts to get the land lords on his side, and how it became virtually impossible to keep the Cáceristas from radicalizing, which caused the haciendas to support Chile. The problem is that the last time I visited my parents, I left my copy of the Peru Reader at their house, so I don't have it. Also, my copy is the new edition which just came out a couple months ago, and I don't know if it's in the old edition. --Descendall 00:09, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

I'm changing the infobox for a most simple one. He was not only President of Peru for tree times, but also an important military leader and a relevant political figure until his death. A more simple one is then more appropiate for his case :D Messhermit 03:51, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

I disagree, Cáceres was a president and as such deserves an expanded infobox. Check for instance the entry on Ulysses S. Grant which was also a war hero and a president. What does everybody else thinks? --Victor12 16:23, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

I also disagree with Messhermit and agree with Victor 12. The information on the info box you added would already be mentioned in the expanded info box and it works the same way with (as Victor mentioned) other war heros/presidents of other countries. What we need to worry about right now is finishing the info regarding the War of the Pacific, First Presidency, Second Presidency, and Legacy.-Jersey Devil 11:06, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Then we should look for another box that is more accurate. Wiki:Es has some nice infoboxes for the last couple of presidents, and I believe that is also important to see that detail. Messhermit 13:32, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Battles and dates

Do you think we should put dates on all the battles mentioned in the article? It seems to me as kind of overkill but without them the narration tends to lose sense of time. What do you think? --Victor12 04:43, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Definately need to put dates. As you said, without it the narration is all messed up. Good work on the War of the Pacific stuff so far.--Jersey Devil 00:50, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

So far pretty good for a WikiProject. We need to get the First and Second Presidency part done though.--Jersey Devil 21:06, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Also, how would be go about creating a template of an ordered list of Peruvian Presidents? Like the one for U.S Presidents? Ex. {{USpresidents}}

That with the Presidents of Peru.--Jersey Devil 22:07, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

The problem with the Presidents is the fact that at most of the time there were several generals claiming the right to become President. In 1841, as an example, there were at least 5 generals that claimed the right to control the government... wich one is the legal President? I don't believe that the 5 of them should be on that list. We should use the spaniard wikipedia, since they have already deal with this type of questions. Cheers! Messhermit 23:54, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

We already have the list of presidents compiled in the Wikipedia:WikiProject Peru page.--Jersey Devil 23:59, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

There are some Interim Presidents that the Spaniard Wikipedia has and this one lacks. Messhermit 07:09, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Antonia Moreno

--190.42.220.88 18:07, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Birth date

Could someone verify the date of his birth? es-Wikipedia and the Peruvian Congress website at http://www.congreso.gob.pe/museo/mensajes.htm say he was born on November 10th, 1836 and he died in Lima. -- Arcimboldo (talk) 08:28, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Unlike es-Wiki and the Peruvian Congress website this article has a source for Cáceres birth date. The February 4, 1833 date comes from Jorge Basadre, a renowned Peruvian historian. Thus, I think we should stick to that date. --Victor12 (talk) 22:17, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Do you have a copy of that book? It would be good to know whether he had outlined his method by which he established the date and verified against dates quoted in other sources. Being a renowned historian speaks in his favour, on the other hand his works were written several decades ago and the Peruvian congress information is more recent and might reflect a more current state of knowledge. I have translated the article for the German Wikipedia but would only change the date if there is some clear evidence for it. Thanks, -- Arcimboldo (talk) 12:30, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

I think you are giving way to much credit to the Peruvian Congress website. Anyway here is the full quote with my own translation:

Andrés A. Cáceres nació (según Jorge Guillermo Leguía) en Ayacucho el 4 de febrero de 1833 y no un 10 de noviembre de 1836 como se anunció al celebrarse su centenario, si bien durante sus Presidencias, el 10 de noviembre era celebrado como fecha de su onmástico.

Andrés A. Cáceres was born (according to Jorge Guillermo Leguía) in Ayacucho on February 4, 1833, and not on November 10, 1836 as was announced on his centennial celebration, even though during his presidencies, November 10 was celebrated as his birth date.

The Leguía book he refers to is (I think) El centenario del Mariscal Andrés Avelino Cáceres, printed in Chile in 1939. If you want I can check it during this week to check its sources. --Victor12 (talk) 14:23, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Thank you - in case it is an easy think for you to do then I would appreciate this. It is not just the Peruvian congress - it is all the other language versions of Wikipedia and the overwhelming majority of websites about Cáceres that say he was born in 1836. -- Arcimboldo (talk) 12:53, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

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