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The result of the move request was: page moved per request. - GTBacchus(talk) 04:49, 2 September 2010 (UTC)Reply


Adana Central Station → Adana Railway Station — The name of the station is Railway Station not Central Station. There's no Central Station naming in Turkey. Seyhan668 (talk) 13:40, 20 August 2010 (UTC)Reply

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Name edit

Latest comment: 11 years ago2 comments1 person in discussion

I've changed it to Adana station, in the absence of any evidence it is call Adana Central. Wheeltapper (talk) 19:10, 15 January 2013 (UTC)Reply

And again. Is there any proof at all it is called "Central"? Why would a Turkish station have a name apparently in English? The Turkish-language Wikipedia page just calls it Adana station. Wheeltapper (talk) 12:59, 21 March 2013 (UTC)Reply
The Turkish is Adana gar, however Gar may also refer to a Bus terminal. Adana has several stations so Central simply differs this one from the others. In Turkish people also refer to the station as "ana gar" (Central station) (Central Data Bank (talk))

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Requested move 26 October 2017 edit

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The result of the move request was: not moved. (non-admin closure) Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga (talk • mail) 12:20, 2 November 2017 (UTC)Reply

Adana railway station → Adana station – In Turkish "railway station" is rarely used. The common reference to a train station is just "<city/town> station", therefore Adana railway station should be moved to Adana station. Central Data Bank (talk) 17:23, 26 October 2017 (UTC)Reply

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 21:46, 26 October 2017 (UTC)Reply
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Turkish station names edit

Latest comment: 6 years ago4 comments2 people in discussion

@User:Amakuru, I created most railway station articles in Turkey with the name XXX railway station before I realized the correct naming convention for Turkish stations. I also must stress that Turkey is not the UK or Poland. Like I said before in Turkish the name of a railway station is XXX station. XXX railway station is only used if a nearly bus terminal shares the same name. (Central Data Bank (talk) 17:20, 2 November 2017 (UTC))Reply

Hi Central Data Bank and thanks for your message. It's true that you created many of these articles, and thanks for your hard work in this area. The only thing I would say though, is that most of the articles have now been stably titled with the XXXX railway station format for quite some time now, so that has become the de facto convention for Turkish railway stations. There may be a case for changing that, but it's not something that should be done just on a whim, and the fact that you created the articles doesn't give you the automatic right to rename them all (see WP:OWN). My point is that such a large scale move of hundreds of articles is generally likely to be controversial and you should have discussed it before carrying them out.
As for the actual issue, I'm not entirely sure what you mean by the "correct naming convention for Turkish stations". Presumably most of them are actually named in the Turkish language rather than English, which means there is no default name for them. Also, whether we say "railway station" or "station" is to some extent down to Wikipedia conventions. In the UK and Poland we've decided to go with XXX railway station as the convention, and it seems logical to me that Turkey should also follow the same convention for WP:CONSISTENCY. You may have good reasons why that is not the case though.
I suggest the best course of action would be to start a multi-move request for a few of the titles to set a precedent (not all, as there are hundreds of them), explain exactly why the convention should be changed, with evidence, and let other Wikipedians discuss the matter. Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 17:37, 2 November 2017 (UTC)Reply
I will start a multi-move discussion as you suggested and explain my reasoning there. I would also like to start a naming convention for Turkish stations to explain the name changes to anyone who asks in the future. Since you are an admin, I would like to ask you whether or not I have the authority to start a naming convention. As someone who has personally lived in Turkey for 4 years, I have rarely heard the use of 'railway station' in daily language as well as official documents. That is the main reason for the move. Also, I wouldn't have moved it if every train station article on WP was XXX railway station; but since US and Japan articles use this format, I changed the Turkish articles to better match their real-life names. Best regards. (Central Data Bank (talk) 17:44, 2 November 2017 (UTC))Reply
I would also like to stress that I understand completely that I do not own any of the articles I created, please do not think I claim this. I have been on Wikipedia for 10 years now, and do my best to abide by the rules. (Central Data Bank (talk) 17:45, 2 November 2017 (UTC))Reply

Requested move 2 November 2017 edit

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The result of the move request was: not moved.(closed by non-admin page mover) ʍaɦʋɛօtʍ (talk) 07:01, 20 November 2017 (UTC)Reply

– The common name for all railway stations in Turkey is XXX station. This can be seen in official State Railway documents, books, magazines and even in daily conversation. The only time that XXX railway station is used is to differentiate between a nearby bus station with the same name. These cases are not common place as bus stations are referred to as Otogar in Turkish (directly translated as Autostation) In books published by government agencies or publishers with great recognition, such as the İzmir Metropolitan Municipality Cultural Publications or the Atatürk Research Center, the naming format of XXX station can be seen. Therefore I conclude that the proper naming convention for Turkish railway stations is XXX station (Adana station, Alsancak station, Haydarpaşa station) Central Data Bank (talk) 17:56, 2 November 2017 (UTC) Relisted. Jenks24 (talk) 11:57, 12 November 2017 (UTC)Reply

  • Oppose: I think there's a point that you're missing which is more related to the language than the sources. Most of the railway jargon in turkish comes from french (like many other words in daily vocabulary aswell). So when you say gar in turkish, which comes from the french word gare, this already means a place where trains stop, that's why people usually don't say tren garı. You can also check on TDK dictionary. To my opinion railway station would be more appropriate, but more importantly also more precise as a translation of gar (WP:Precision). Because as Intercity bus stations are very common in Turkey, I'm affraid that XXX station naming will create some confusions, at least for most of Turkish people. But then there will also be the issue on how to name small stops with single platforms like Marşandiz in Ankara or Kazlıçeşme in Istanbul. Because gar is more used for big stations like Haydarpaşa or Ankara, with at least two platforms and many tracks (not an official categorization, my personal observation, can be disscussed). In english (to what I understood) you can call them both station/railway station. But in turkish someone is unlikely to say Kazlıçeşme garı, he/she would rather say Kazlıçeşme istasyonu (for example). Best. Nezo90 (talk) 22:59, 2 November 2017 (UTC)Reply
  • Oppose: As one can see in Station the word station is not confined to trains. In the book of TCDD of course the emphasis on trains. But if one looks up bulletins of TRT, the definion of station is quite different. Thus train station seems best. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 20:11, 3 November 2017 (UTC)Reply
  • Comment - I have posted notifications of this discussion at WT:TRAINS and WT:STATIONS. Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 17:30, 5 November 2017 (UTC)Reply
  • Oppose - using the term "railway station" makes it abundantly clear what the article is about. The term "train station" needs to be banished, it's just lazy youth-speak. Mjroots (talk) 06:40, 6 November 2017 (UTC)Reply
  • Support: The consensus for stations in North America is to simplify to just “Xxx station” wherever possible. Useddenim (talk) 16:15, 11 November 2017 (UTC)Reply
  • Support per WP:CONCISE, and WP:PRECISE (current is too precise), and WP:DAB (current name is over-disambiguation).  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ >ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ<  20:26, 12 November 2017 (UTC)Reply
  • Oppose "Station" can relate to a number of places, i.e. bus station, tram station, fire station, police station, et al. I see no need to change the name, unless the station itself is an interchange with another form of transport. Nightfury 15:08, 15 November 2017 (UTC)Reply
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