Talk:Adam Johnson (footballer)

Club

This article is semi-protected, so could someone change his current club to Manchester City? Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.22.194.128 (talk) 18:32, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Relegation and 2009-10 season

The Cardiff game was played on 13 December 2009, not 12th. It moved as it was live on Sky. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.108.107.130 (talk) 09:41, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

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Child sex charge

The article should specify wether the girl was an actual child or just a teenager below the UK's age of consent. How old was she at the time of the alledged events.

 Done She was 15. Jim Michael (talk) 18:43, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

Thank you. The readers will be relieved to know he didn't rape a toddler. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.27.46.203 (talk) 18:49, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

He didn't rape anyone 78.151.27.86 (talk) 01:08, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

Technically still a child under the UK sex laws Philb1984 (talk) 19:46, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

Can we add a comparison with this case?78.151.27.86 (talk) 01:12, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

Only if reliable sources have done so. These are unfortunately not the only ever incidences of child grooming '''tAD''' (talk) 01:21, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 February 2016

In the first paragraph, the word "child" should be replaced with "under age", this should also apply to any subsequent references to the word "child" Jlambton (talk) 20:14, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

The source says child, even though sexual activity with a 16- or 17-year-old child in the UK (apart from if a teacher or similar position of care) is perfectly legal '''tAD''' (talk) 20:22, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

The text in question has since been edited and the introduction states the girl's age. --Super Nintendo Chalmers (talk) 11:19, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

Infobox - the guy's currently a free agent - am I allowed to put that on his Infobox or not?

I did earlier on but it got deleted and no explanation was given. At the moment it's confusing and in theory anybody could click on the page, read the Infobox, and presume that he still plays for Sunderland Huddsblue (talk) 00:56, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

'Free agent' isn't a club, so it shouldn't be in the infobox. Mattythewhite (talk) 00:59, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

That seems extremely pedantic tbh. 'Free Agent' is the standard description on a Wikipedia Infobox for a player without a club. Huddsblue (talk) 01:18, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

Is it, though? Mattythewhite (talk) 01:40, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

I believe so, yes. His Infobox doesn't currently make it clear whether he's currently playing for a club or not Huddsblue (talk) 02:10, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

The infobox follows the standard convention for footballers (and I think most sportspeople). If there's an end date on a player's time at a club (which there is for Sunderland) the player has left that club; if there's no end date (it says for example 2013–) then the players is still at the club. So the infobox as is states that he left Sunderland in 2016 (which he did). There's no need to put 'free agent' (particularly as it's not clear if he is - would he sign for a club if they offered him a deal tomorrow? I don't really know). I'd suggest raising this at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football if you want to explore whether this is clear or not. --Super Nintendo Chalmers (talk) 11:17, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

Relationship update

In light of his now clearly ex-girlfriends evidence in court today, the relationship since a point shortly after his arrest is now in the past.Telegraph BBC Independent Mirror — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.101.136.55 (talk) 16:36, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

Former professional

Given that he will (almost certainly) be going to prison was child sex offences, I would say that its safe to say that he is now a "former professional football player". No professional club would ever hire a convicted sex offender. Could he even play professionally when on the sex offenders register?

To compare: Steve Randell, an Australian cricket umpire whose professional career ended when he was convicted of abuse. The start of his article says "a former Australian Test cricket match umpire". Gaia Octavia Agrippa ^Talk 17:12, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

I wouldn't add "former" just yet, as Marlon King is also a convicted sex offender (amongst other things) who is on the sex offenders register and has been hired by other clubs following his release from prison. I would say it is best to wait until after Johnson's (likely) sentence ends, as Ched Evans is not described as a "former footballer". Samuel J Walker (talk) 17:25, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

Good find. However, the climate is very different post-Savile. It is also different in that Johnson has been convicted of child sexual offences rather than those involving adults. Gaia Octavia Agrippa ^Talk 17:44, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

I'd agree except for - isn't that original research? --Cameron Scott (talk) 19:42, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

Might be. Gaia Octavia Agrippa ^Talk 19:46, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

But its not original research if I have a source! The Guardian have just published an article above this very question: Ched Evans case suggests Adam Johnson will not play again. To quote the article "Adam Johnson's conviction for grooming and sexual activity with a child almost certainly means he will never play professional football again." and "the experience of Ched Evans suggests Johnson will struggle to find a team in the face of public disapproval". Gaia Octavia Agrippa ^Talk 19:54, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

And another source (The Telgraph) "It seems highly unlikely he will ever play professional football again". And a more local newspaper (Chronicle Live) "Legal employment experts say the disgraced star’s criminal record means it is unlikely he would be able work on or off the pitch for any club". Gaia Octavia Agrippa ^Talk 20:03, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

Words like "suggests", "almost certainly" and "highly unlikely" would fall under WP:CRYSTAL. Of course nobody in their right mind would want to employ a convicted child molester, but stranger things have happened (a man who killed two children when driving drunk not only got hired at his old club, but made their captain) '''tAD''' (talk) 11:31, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

Johnson is not a child molester in any sense of the phrase. 78.151.29.72 (talk) 16:54, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

<reduce indent> I'd suggest that the best option here is to remove the word 'professional' from the intro - given that he's not currently earning from the game I think we can do that, but it's also not passing judgement on what might happen. The word 'former' is then not needed: 'footballer' can simply mean someone who became notable through football. Super Nintendo Chalmers (talk) 20:31, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

I agree, that works as a good compromise. Hopefully when he he gets his 5 year plus prison sentence, he'll put out an appolgy saying how sorry he is and that he's retiring from football. That would clear things up. Gaia Octavia Agrippa ^Talk 23:10, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

Twitter

His personal twitter is: https://twitter.com/AJohno_11 Not sure if this will update Google as that one links to an investor from America. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MichaelDance (talk • contribs) 10:28, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

Dammit, looks like it's been taken down off twitter for the time being: https://twitter.com/search?q=AJohno_11 — Preceding unsigned comment added by MichaelDance (talk • contribs) 10:30, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

Need to restore England appearances and goals

He has supposedly been stripped of his caps - but that is not the same as deleting his appearances and goals. Some user Alc23 was in error doing this. Someone with authority needs to restore this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.120.129.4 (talk) 12:40, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

Maybe they could note the caps and goals, however write 'formally rescinded' or something as a caveat. It seems relevant that they have been pointedly revoked by the FA 188.220.74.199 (talk) 14:35, 24 March 2016 (UTC) Alex

His goals and appearances have not been revoked. It is the honour of the cap that has been taken away (if that is actually the case). The appearances and goals cannot be taken away and will appear in any FIFA publication etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.120.129.4 (talk) 22:56, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

'Paedophile'

The opening paragraph states as fact that Johnson is a convicted 'paedophile.' Is there any proof he is actually a paedophile? Where are the sources to state that his predominant sexual interest is in pre-pubescent children, because there are none, and he did not groom or sexually assault a pre-pubescent child. Can I suggest changing this phrase to the much more appropriate 'sex offender'?

I added that the court psychiatrist found that Johnson is not attracted to prepubescent children '''tAD''' (talk) 19:01, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

Age of consent

The part about the sex crime should specify it is illegal to have intercourse when of the partners is below the age of consent. As this latter is 14 in my country I found the paragraph quite odd. Local English circumstances should be specified. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.104.142.54 (talk) 20:07, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

Added to the lead now to internationalise the article. The sex crimes section mentions the age of 16 '''tAD''' (talk) 20:20, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

New court post-sentencing issues

A couple of issues to clear-up post sentencing. Firstly, his "alleged" adultery and sexual desire was even mentioned as fact by the judge in his summing up: "at a time when you were engaged in frequent sexual intercourse with multiple partners" Telegraph Guardian BBC News. Also in his summing-up the judge said Johnson had been hunting out women for sex from the time he joined Manchester City. The section hence re his personal life relating to the break up of his relationship with girlfriend needs the word "alleged" removed. Secondly, if even the BBC are reporting that police found extreme pornography involving animals on Johnson's laptop during their investigation, this needs adding. Some of the other details - that police found STD medication in a safe near his bed - are presently mostly single source but will become court-record; and unless the England caps-stripping comes from an FA source, should not yet be added. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.101.140.63 (talk) 22:42, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

The judge states in court that Johnson is an adulterer, but what we state in the article is that he allegedly confessed to Ms Flounders. The claim is that he confessed. Anyway, soon the full court report of this case will become available to the public, so we can known exactly what was said in court. There appears to be enough reports in the right places for this story of illegal pornography to be valid. '''tAD''' (talk) 22:56, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

First sentence

Could we change:

"Adam Johnson (born 14 July 1987) is an English footballer who plays as a winger."

to

"Adam Johnson (born 14 July 1987) is a convicted sexual offender and an English footballer who played as a winger."

That would make more sense to me. Scicurious (talk) 18:43, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

No. See guideline here and also there has been no notice of him retiring. --Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 19:19, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

Kissing?

Based on this section, the impression given is that Johnson's only offence was kissing a minor but he was charged with sexually touching as per http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-35711213...

In December 2014, Johnson began communicating over social media with a 15-year-old female fan while his partner was pregnant.[86] The following 17 January, he met up with the girl in his Range Rover, where he signed two Sunderland shirts for her.[86] Thirteen days later, they met again, and Johnson kissed the girl.[86] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.183.231.186 (talk) 21:12, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

Why lock an article if no one is actually going to make updates? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.222.0.157 (talk) 17:38, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

The girl said that after exchanging messages, she first met up with him on 17 January 2015 when he signed two Sunderland shirts for her.

She said the player continued to message her, requesting a "thank you kiss".

"I was well up for it. It was a surreal type of thing," she told the police officer.

"I met up with him again. I gave him his thank you kiss and more," she said. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.222.0.157 (talk) 17:50, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 2 July 2023

Change children from 1 to 2, as stated further on page he became a dad for a second time in 2021 86.10.138.166 (talk) 15:54, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

 Done Scientia potentia est, -MonarchOfTerror (talk) 16:16, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 October 2023

Changed “committed suicide” to “died by suicide” 185.61.158.22 (talk) 19:33, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: Wikipedia avoids euphemisms and is not censored. WanderingMorpheme 22:36, 29 October 2023 (UTC)