Talk:A Performance of Hamlet in the Village of Mrduša Donja

Requested move 27 January 2021

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Moved to A Performance of Hamlet in the Village of Mrdusa Donja. Consensus is now clear. BD2412 T 01:45, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Acting Hamlet in the Village of Mrdusa Donja → Hamlet in the Village of Mrdusa Donja – This is a rather sloppy translation of the Serbo-Croatian title. Not a single english-speaking soul will search for this movie with 'Acting' literally translated. One does not 'act' a play in english, but performs one or acts ín one. 'Performing Hamlet...' however sounds rather odd, even though in Serbo-Croatian it perfectly works. The correct translation is 'Hamlet in the Village of Mrdusa Donja,' and I can assure you that pretty much everyone searching for the english page will search for it in this way. Gerrit Springers (talk) 11:59, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose David Bevington · 2011 Hamlet Through the Ages has "Hamlet has similarly lent itself to film adaptation. ... In Krsto Papic's Acting Hamlet in the Village of Mrdusa Donja (1974), a Croatian village performance of Hamlet leads to the exposure of... " but World Encyclopedia of Contemporary Theatre: Volume 1: Peter Nagy, ‎Philippe Rouyer · 2014 "His grotesque tragedy Predstava Hamleta u selu Mrdusa Donja (A Performance of Hamlet in the Village of Mrdusa Donja, 1971) uses Shakespeare cheerlessly to depict dictatorship" In ictu oculi (talk) 12:24, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

Or Liberated Cinema: The Yugoslav Experience, 1945-2001 Daniel J. Goulding · 2002 "Some spark of it remained in Krsto Papić's film A Village Performance of Hamlet ( Predstava Hamleta u selu Mrduša Donja , 1973 ) , based on a controversial play of the same name by Ivo Brešan." In ictu oculi (talk) 12:25, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

Since the Wikipedia article already existed under this name in 2011, the first source is probably a case of WP:CITOGENESIS (ie. the author took the translation from Wikipedia). --Un assiolo (talk) 19:51, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Strongly Support The two examples named by user 'In ictu oculi'are two differing free translations of the title, only supporting the claim that one definitive translation does not exist. Next to that, 'A Village Performance of Hamlet' is the only grammatically correct of the two. There is no such thing as 'Acting Hamlet,' that is an ungrammatical literal translation. The movie, like the play, is commonly known and referred to as Hamlet in the Village of Mrdusa Donja. Using that title people searching for either of the two quoted variations will be able to find it, since both contain these words. Gerrit Springers (talk) 12:51, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

@Gerrit Springers: You are not allowed 2 !votes; your nomination already counts as one, it is not necessary (in fact, rather confusing) to repeat it. I have stricken the bolded vote and placed your comment where it should naturally go. See WP:TPG. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 03:22, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

• Support move to A Performance of Hamlet in the Village of Mrdusa Donja as it is the most faithful translation among those used in external sources. --Un assiolo (talk) 19:58, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
• Comment - While I can't say anything about how this work's title should be translated from Croatian to English, I can say that to me "Acting Hamlet in the Village of Mrdusa Donja" scans as being an article about a hamlet called "Acting" located in a village called Mrdusa Donja. The "performing" translation is far clearer in meaning. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 15:17, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

—Relisting. Vaticidalprophet (talk) 09:41, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

• Support move to A Performance of Hamlet in the Village of Mrdusa Donja. Indeed, it is the most faithful translation which makes it clear that "Hamlet" - being a "performance" or a "show" (which is what predstava means in Croatian) - refers to the play and not its protagonist. This is also relevant because the film's plot actually revolves around what this title describes (i.e. an amateur performance of the Shakespeare's play in a Dalmatian village). GregorB (talk) 17:06, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
• Move to A Performance of Hamlet in the Village of Mrdusa Donja: It is a less literal translation, but much clearer in English than the current title. This definitely needs a move to something, and I agree that this is probably the best option. — Twassman [Talk·Contribs] 23:46, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.