Talk:2008 Arizona Proposition 102

Comment

Thanks everyone for your help in editing this topic. Because this is a contentious issue I hope we can achieve the ever-important Neutral Point of View. Wikipedia:NPOV tutorial is a good place to start. Quoting from the article: "Wikipedia isn't a battleground, there are other places on the Internet to debate a given subject," like blogs, for example.

My view is that we'll do best if we try to keep the article simple, neutral, and accurate.

As the major proponents/opponents publish their major arguments during the campaign I'd like to see some links to those. We should mention the major arguments; however, our article doesn't need to be the place for detailed, in-depth discussion of the issue. (That's what blogs are for). I'd also like to link the official ballot info when it becomes available from the Secretary of State.

Gmoneyfinancial (talk) 05:32, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Question

What percentage of the vote is required for this to take effect? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.2.244.48 (talk) 12:17, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Simple majority, according to this. --EqualRights (talk) 12:55, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Fixed POV

Under the heading "Analysis", the article used to say this:

“ By placing a definition of marriage in the Constitution of Arizona, however, the definition of marriage could not be changed by either the state legislature or the state judiciary. ”

In my attempt to neutralize the POV, I rewrote it to say this:

“ However, because the proposition was an amendment to the Constitution of Arizona, the law now cannot be changed by the state legislature, and the possibility that the state judiciary might find a state constitutional guarantee of same-sex couples' right to marry is eliminated. ”

I think this is better, but it's a bit of a mouthful. It probably still needs improvement, which is why I'm posting this here.

The problem was that it implies the judicial branch of Arizona can change law. This is an inaccurate statement, unless Arizona's judiciary is unique and I don't know about it. The judiciary only has the authority to interpret law. Specifically, in regards to constitutional law, it has the authority to determine whether a statute contradicts the constitution — and to strike down the statute when it does, since constitutional law trumps statutory law. Nothing changes except the presumption that the statute is constitutional.

There is similar language under "Supporters and opponents". But I hesitate to alter it because of the qualifier, "Supporters said". The supporters were false in implying the judiciary can change law, but I think we have to let readers conclude that for themselves. — Athelwulf ^[T]/_[C] 09:25, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

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The result of the move request was: moved. Apparently uncontroversial and noting also the recent consensus at Talk:Arizona_Proposition_200_(2004)#Move? Malcolmxl5 (talk) 23:54, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

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Arizona Proposition 102 → Arizona Proposition 102 (2008) – The de facto naming convention for Arizona ballot issues is parenthetical disambiguation by year, because this state re-uses proposition numbers. Wbm1058 (talk) 01:27, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

• per closed requested move at Talk:Arizona Proposition 200 (2004)#Move?, where consensus was for keeping the years on Arizona ballot measure titles. Wbm1058 (talk) 01:27, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
• to disambiguate from Arizona Standing in Civil Actions, Proposition 102 (2006) – Wbm1058 (talk) 01:46, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

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