Draft talk:Middle East International

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Publisher: Middle East International Publishers, ltd.

Place: London

ISSN: 0047-7249

Zero^talk 11:13, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

Background

Hi @Padres Hana: I have been doing some reading around this. I saw two topics that should be covered: (1) apparently it was co-founded by Claud Morris, who subsequently lost control of it to Mayhew; and (2) it has been described as the in-house journal of the Council for Arab-British Understanding. I am not certain about either of these two points so am putting them here for discussion. Perhaps your archive can shed some light on this. Onceinawhile (talk) 19:03, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

Why me?

OK I know this is silly but I am at a bit of a loss as to how to proceed. Here is a very random list that at first glance look to me as if they fail on the same criteria as this article has. Not that I am suggesting they should be moved to drafts - Wikipedia would be a less interesting space without them. (The exception being why can Church Times get away with name dropping but MEI not?). What to do?

Aberdeen Citizen

Angling Times

Abu al-Hawl (newspaper)

Bashira

Church Times (name dropping)

Dartmouth Chronicle and Advertiser

Express & Echo

Financial News

Great Yarmouth Mercury

Hamodia (name dropping)

Ireland's Saturday Night

Jewish Telegraph

Kent on Saturday

Llais Y Wlad

Morning Star (London newspaper)

News Shopper

Official Gazette (South Yemen)

Pink Paper

RAF News

Scottish Standard

The Adventurer (newspaper)

Ulster Gazette

West Lothian Herald & Post

Padres Hana (talk) 09:18, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Looking at the hatchet job on The Greyzone I came across these articles whose references seem to be weaker than my MEI effort: The Diplomat, UnHerd, Telex.hu, World (magazine). Though, again, Wikipedia would be a shallower pace without them. Padres Hana (talk) 11:20, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

Feel the Love

Wikimedia Commons does not accept derivative works of non-free works such as File:Sarah Brown's Vegetarian Kitchen.jpg. --EugeneZelenko (talk) 15:26, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for uploading File:Donald Neff.jpg. This media is missing permission information. A source is given, but there is no proof that the author or copyright holder agreed to license the file under the given license. --EugeneZelenko (talk) 15:26, 26 March 2022 (UTC) And also: File:Middle East International.jpg

File:Middle East International 27 September 1985.jpg has been marked as a possible copyright violation. Randykitty (talk) 13:21, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

File:Middle East International 355.jpg has been marked as a possible copyright violation. Wikimedia Commons only accepts free content—that is, images and other media files that can be used by anyone, for any purpose. Traditional copyright law does not grant these freedoms, and unless noted otherwise, everything you find on the web is copyrighted and not permitted here. Randykitty (talk) 13:19, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

Instead of putting images on Commons, you can put them on en.wiki with a fair use rationale. I'm not very familiar with this process so you might need advise from someone else. Zero^talk 03:15, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

• That's correct. Commons doesn't allow fair use, but enWP does. For an example, see one of our few GA articles, Genes, Brain and Behavior. Note that fair use allows upload of just one cover image, not more. --Randykitty (talk) 10:59, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

It appears I am not allowed to download image/file to a Draft: page. Catch22 Padres Hana (talk) 16:22, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

• Having an image of the cover or not will not influence whether this draft is acceptable or not. If at some point you succeed on showing notability and the article is created, you can add the cover under fair use. --Randykitty (talk) 10:36, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Silly question

Tel-Aviv University Law Review Padres Hana (talk) 22:44, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

Reliable source?

I put MEI on the reliable source noticeboard. One person has responded after obviously looking closely. Their criticism is that a source can be too close to events and perhaps summaries of events written at a later date are better. A second editor wrote “It was not published in academic press seems like a polemical magazine” which I don’t know how to respond to. So many thoughts come to mind - none of them printable. Padres Hana (talk) 18:08, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

Do we have a problem?

Articles in which Middle East International is used as a reference. Figure in brackets is number of times quoted.

Na'ameh (2), South Lebanon conflict (1985-2000) (14), List of terrorist incidents in 1991 (1) , Abbas al-Musawi (3), Yater (4), Kafra, Lebanon (3), Jezzine (4), Rachaf (1), Beit Yahoun (4), American University of Beirut (3), Hula, Lebanon (1), Islamic Jihad Movement in Palestine (1), Jarmaq (1), Israeli Air Force (1), Taif Agreement (5), Antelias (1), Hebron University (1), First Intifada (1), Nabatieh (1), Jounieh (1), Ain al-Hilweh (3), Mieh Mieh refugee camp (1), Lebanese Armed Forces (1), Baraachit (7), Kfar Remen (1), War of Liberation (1989-1990) (25), Lebanese Civil War (22), Dbayeh (1), Michel Aoun (6), Ain El Remmaneh (1), Adma wa Dafneh (1), Sin el Fil (1), Samir Geagea (2), Chouaya (Hasbaiya) (1), Kisrawan (2), Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (2), Rashidieh (6), War of Brothers (6), Lebanese Resistance Regiments (4), Sidon (2), Jarjouh (3), Kfar Falous (2), Chouf District (3), Progressive Socialist Party (2), Jieh (3), Naqoura (1), United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon (4), Khalde (1), Shebaa (1), Lebanese Forces (1), Faraya (1), Yitzhak Rabin (2), Jebchit (1), William R. Higgins (1), Israeli occupation of Southern Lebanon (5), Dora, Lebanon (1), Souk El Gharb (1), People’s Liberation Army (Lebanon) (1), Hezbollah (1), Yarze (2), Chtaura (1), Nasrallah Boutros Sfeir (3), Kafr Kila, Lebanon (1), Yohmor, Beqaa (1), Mossad (1), Israel-United Kingdom relations (1), Ghobeiry (1), Chyah (2), Rashid Karami (2), Antoine Lahad (1), PFLP-GC Headquarters Raid (1988) (1), Lebanese pound (3), Lebanon (1), Machghara (2), Jwaya (2), Bikfaya (1), Kafr Dunin (1), Maarakeh (1), Aishiya (1), Haret Hreik (1), Tripoli, Lebanon (2), Zahle (1), History of Hamas (3), Majdel Selm (3), Marwahin (1), Operation Accountability (13), Haganah (1), Chihine (1), Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine (2), Tebnine (1), Baalbeck International Festival (2), Solidere (3), Zouk Mikael (1), Abbas al-Musawi (3), Etienne Saqr (1), Saydet al-Najat Church Explosion (Lebanon, 1994) (7), Aaramta (1), Amal Movement (1), Mustafa Dirani (1), Qantara, Lebanon (1), Bint Jbeil (2), Imad Mughniyeh (1), Danny Chamoun (1), Al-Ahbash (1), Osbat al-Ansar (1), Operation Grapes of Wrath (4), Bsalim (1), Chnaniir (1), Rafic Hariri (4), Farid Makari (1), Walid Jumblatt (1), Michel Murr (1), Suleiman Frangieh (politician, born 1965) (1), Tabarja (1), National Liberal Party (Lebanon) (1), Qana massacre (1), 1996 Lebanese general election (4), Mlikh (2), Hassan Nasrallah (1), Unit Egoz (1), Bayt Lif (1), Maghdouche (3), General Confederation of Lebanese Workers (2), Subhi al-Tufayli (4), Islamic Unification Movement (1), Yasir Arafat (1), Palestinian National Salvation Front (1), Fathallah barracks (2), Le Commodore Hotel Beirut (1), Ma'alot-Tarshiha (5), Avigdor Ben-Gal (2), Rafael Eitan (5), Bechara El Khoury (1), Sarafand, Lebanon (1), Ain Baal (1), Zuheir Mohsen (1), Latakia (1), Aleppo (2), Rifaat al-Assad (1), Pierre Gemayel (2), Nahr al-Bared refugee camp (1), John McCarthy (journalist) (1), Brital (1), Al-Nabi Shayth (1), Migrant domestic workers in Lebanon (1), Arnoun (4), Erez Gerstein (1) Padres Hana (talk) 08:11, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

• I picked one article completely ad random from the above collections and the reference to Middle East International had been added recently by yourself. I grabbed another random page and again the citation had been added by yourself. In any case, as it is obviously not difficult to "seed" a lot of references in WP articles, you will not find "number of citations in WP" as a criterium in any notability guideline. So while I applaud your hard work amassing this section, it has no bearing whatsoever on whether or not this publication should have an article. --Randykitty (talk) 12:43, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

• PS: just to be sure that I just had the luck of the draw, I checked a third article and again the citation had been added by you. Somebody with more time on their hands than me should check whether all those citations are actually justified. --Randykitty (talk) 12:47, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

yes it’s all my own work. Should I stop? Padres Hana (talk) 15:51, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

• Yes, you should. I must admit that I've never seen the like of it... --Randykitty (talk) 17:45, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Not only have you added MEI as a reference to all of these article, but in the refs you turned MEI into a red Wikilink. Stop that, too. David notMD (talk) 23:18, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

I left the links in the hope that the Draft would be accepted. Will correct - may take a little time. Hey I thought I might get a barn star. Padres Hana (talk) 09:55, 9 October 2022 (UTC)