Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Professional sound production

Zoom product amalgamation

I recently started the Zoom H6 Handy Recorder article, but shorty after, it was nominated for deletion. I've since added more information about awards and better references, however after talking with Lopifalko (talk · contribs) over at User talk:Lopifalko/Archive_3#Thanks for the edits to Zoom H6 Handy Recorder it seems as though the best course of action may be to fold all of the individual product articles into the main Zoom Corporation article. The articles in question are:

• Zoom H6 Handy Recorder
• Zoom H5 Handy Recorder
• Zoom H2n Handy Recorder
• Zoom H4n Handy Recorder
• Zoom H4 Handy Recorder
• Zoom H2 Handy Recorder
• Zoom HD8 and HD16

I've started to 'backup' the data into Wikidata (list of Zoom product entities), for example - Zoom H6 Handy Recorder (Q81525088), just in case anyone goes on a WP:SPEEDY rampage. There's still loads to do before I even attempt to write something that covers all of the recorders but before I went too far, I just wanted to put out a call to see if anyone is interested in helping out with the individual articles, or to see if the general consensus is that they should be merged. Cheers in advance! --Aluxosm (talk) 16:17, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

I worry about an WP:UNDUE issue at Zoom Corporation if you attempt to merge all this stuff in there. It might work if you made the information about each product collapsable by enclosing in {{hidden begin}}, {{hidden begin}}. Perhaps better would be to create Zoom Handy Recorder to cover the whole product line. You can also leave the more notable products as stand-alone articles so long as you can find and cite at least two reliable sources for each article. For this subject, these would normally take the form of a professional and independent product review. ~Kvng (talk) 13:23, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

Perhaps there could be an article for each series (such as the F Series, or H Series) from Zoom, that could definitely have enough content for its own article, which if left in the main Zoom page itself would make it too bulky and long. Mathmo ^Talk 02:03, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

Room acoustics needs help

This article is rather short and cryptic, and suffers from some long-ago COI editing by Oscar Juan Bonello (his work looks OK, and is fairly widely cited, but it's not presented here with any sensible context). Could someone who is into this take a look at how to improve it? Dicklyon (talk) 18:48, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Navigation template overlap

{{AVconn}} and {{Audio and video interfaces and connectors}} have overlapping scope. Please post your thoughts at Template talk:Audio and video interfaces and connectors#Merge proposal. ~Kvng (talk) 13:15, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

Merge proposal

I am proposing merging Audio electronics into Audio equipment. Please leave your thoughts at Talk:Audio equipment#Merge from Audio electronics. ~Kvng (talk) 12:49, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

Semi Joseph Begun

This article could use some attention. Best.4meter4 (talk) 02:51, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

Environmental impact of vinyl record production - No specific information on any Wikipedia articles.

I cannot find any Wikipedia articles that go into detail on this matter- not even a snippet, or a single mention of the problem.

The environmental impact of vinyl production is ridiculously bad, unfortunately. The vinyl revival itself is a huge disaster, environmentally.

Renewed production of vinyl has a disproportionate impact compared to other forms of audio storage. The evidence is quite easy to find by searching. Just completely absent from Wikipedia. 76.21.71.54 (talk) 19:26, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

Production of phonograph records ould probably be the best place to put that. ~Kvng (talk) 14:29, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

Peter Doell AfD

Hi there. There is a voting going on regarding mastering engineer Peter Doell's page. I'd appreciate it if you could look into it and give your input.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Peter_Doell

TanookiKoopa (talk) 13:53, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Help for Merging Technologies page

Hello. I need help in getting a page for Merging Technologies. Merging Technologies is a rather well known manufacturer in the professional audio world, mainly in classical music and jazz. Even if not as big as many other companies in this field, Merging and it's products are used by professionals all over the world. For example here is a review on the renowned Sound On Sound magazine, with a review of our latest product: https://www.soundonsound.com/reviews/merging-anubis-music-mission

There are multiple other Sound On Sound (and many other magazines) reviews over the years of some other Merging Technologies products: https://www.soundonsound.com/reviews/merginganubis, https://www.soundonsound.com/reviews/merging-hapi, https://www.soundonsound.com/reviews/merging-technologies-pyramix, https://www.soundonsound.com/reviews/merging-technologies-pyramix-native-6

Another example, Gearspace (renowned audio pro forum, used to be called Gearslutz) has many threads about our products over the years, see https://gearspace.com/gear/merging-technologies. And here is a page on Merging's latest product: https://gearspace.com/gear/merging-technologies/anubis

Also Merging Technologies is already listed on some Wikipedia articles, for example here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AES67#Adoption. Or here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RTP-MIDI#Companies/Projects_using_RTP-MIDI, or here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ravenna_(networking)#Open_technology All those Wikipedia articles could be enhanced by putting a link to a page of the company.

So I would need help with getting the article written properly because I have been trying for many years and the page ends up being deleted. Is it possible to have help from an editor for this? Here is the draft: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Merging_Technologies

Nicowiki~enwiki (talk) 16:22, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

@Nicowiki~enwiki: We need to start with WP:DISCLOSE. Next, to allow the draft to be accepted, we need to see WP:THREE reliable sources with significant coverage of the company. The sources you list above are good but they are about products, not the company and they don't necessarily demonstrate the notability of the company (see WP:INHERIT). ~Kvng (talk) 14:17, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

@Kvng: Thanks for your answer Kvng. For WP:DISCLOSE, here is my user page [[1]] with the COI tag saying I work for Merging Technologies. And for the articles about Merging Technologies as a company, here are 3 articles that hopefully have significant coverage of the company, and are relevant enough sources: https://www.ravenna-network.com/partners/merging/, https://www.pme.ch/entreprises/2020/08/31/linvincible-genie-suisse-laudio (in french), https://www.proaudio.de/de/news/broadcast/23992-remote-sports-production-enabled-by-merging-technologies.html (this one about our products again, but has information on the company see last paragraph). I have limited these links to 3 in order to follow WP:THREE, but have some more in case it is needed. Also I would like to list again 3 Wikipedia pages that already mention the company Merging Technologies which is relevant in the pro audio world. The Wikipedia articles are: [[2]], [[3]], [[4]]. Thanks again for your input on this. Nicowiki~enwiki (talk) 12:28, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

@Nicowiki~enwiki, the Ravenna article is not a reliable source because it is not WP:INDEPENDENT (Merging is a Ravenna licensee). The other two are good and normally only two are required but we're going to have to go above and beyond in this case given the WP:COI. Please do provide one more.

Mentions in other Wikipedia articles is a good informal indication of notability but doesn't usually carry much weight with AfC reviewers or in deletion discussions. ~Kvng (talk) 00:21, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

@Kvng: Here is an article about Merging Technologies' CEO Claude Cellier (mentioned in the draft https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Merging_Technologies), and also about the company's history. The source is AES.org, which should be a reliable and independent source. link: https://www.aes.org/events/145/presenters/?ID=7812 Nicowiki~enwiki (talk) 17:29, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

@Kvng: Hi Kvng, can you please review the last link I furnished in my reply above? The draft was deleted again on May 1st due to inactivity. I have asked for un-deletion [[5]]. We have recently started collaborating with Lawo, here is a fresh article that speaks of Merging Technologies in relation with Lawo: https://lawo.com/lawo-welcomes-merging-technologies-as-first-among-home-equals/. Hopefully this helps a bit more; as the title says, please help me get an article for Merging Technologies.

@Nicowiki~enwiki: please WP:PING me again when the draft has been restored and you've added any new sources and I'll have a look. ~Kvng (talk) 17:22, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

@Kvng: Hi Kvng, the draft has been restored, here it is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Merging_Technologies. The new sources are this one on aes.org: https://www.aes.org/events/145/presenters/?ID=7812 (not new, but you have not reviewed it in my reply above), and this link which is recent (a collaboration with Lawo) https://lawo.com/lawo-welcomes-merging-technologies-as-first-among-home-equals/. Thanks for your help. Nicowiki~enwiki (talk) 14:33, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

@Kvng: Hi Kvng, for closure of this question, can you please let me know here if the aes.org source is not accepted and why? You mentioned above about sources furnished: "The other two are good and normally only two are required but we're going to have to go above and beyond in this case", and I've furnished the aes.org link (https://www.aes.org/events/145/presenters/?ID=7812) that is WP:INDEPENDENT. Is this not enough still?

@Nicowiki~enwiki: see my response at Draft talk:Merging Technologies#WP:THREE. ~Kvng (talk) 14:38, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

@Kvng: Thanks for the reply. ~Nicowiki~enwiki (talk) 12:39, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

@Kvng: Hi Kvng, this article has been published recently: https://audioxpress.com/news/merging-technologies-creates-scalable-high-performance-aes67-solution-based-on-analog-devices-sharc-socs, please review it. It says: "Merging Technologies’ experience in the audio over IP (AoIP) field (Ravenna/AES67) and Analog Device's experience in unified communications and pro-audio applications, has led to a collaboration that broadens the range of AoIP solutions for manufacturers of electronics and ultimately integrators."

Is this not enough to be listed as an audio pro company on Wikipedia?

Here are other WP:INDEPENDENT sources with that same info: https://www.proavl-asia.com/details/70341-merging-announces-analogue-aes67-solution-for-sharc-socs, https://www.fast-and-wide.com/faw-news/fast-news/16965-merging-launches-sharc-socs-aes-67-solution, "Merging has been one of the driving forces of Ravenna since its conception. Availability of AoIP technology allows a broader audience to AES67 technology, and enables OEMs to design AES67-based products"

~Nicowiki~enwiki (talk) 09:14, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

We are not clearly over the hump here. An WP:AFD discussion would provide a definitive answer. Normally I'd say, let's accept it and see what happens but since there's a COI in play here, I don't think that's a good idea. ~Kvng (talk) 13:32, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

Wikimedia Sound Logo project

The Wikimedia Sound Logo project

Hello everyone,

The Wikimedia sound logo project is in an early development phase -- this stage is for asking all kinds of questions, developing and fielding ideas, finding themes and shaping the direction of the project. Here is a link to the meta page for the project:

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Communications/Sound_Logo

Your input is welcome. Thank you, VGrigas (WMF) (talk) 17:41, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Loudspeaker vs. Speaker (audio equipment)

Can we get some additional input on this two-editor discussion about the name of this important article? ~Kvng (talk) 15:41, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

User script to detect unreliable sources

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