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General Discussion

Has anyone noticed how Jack'' Pumpkinhead from Disney's Return to Oz looks like a Tim Burton character--specifically, ''Jack Skelington from Disney's Nightmare Before Christmas. Maybe, did Tim Burton design the character? What an interestesting fact that would be. He was a Disney employee at one point and the movie is a little dark. Anyonw know? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.43.187.48 (talk) 04:37, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Early Cinematic Versions

I propose, as I have elsewhere, that we band together as a community and make out first project the documenting of the early film versions and then we need to talk about dramatic adaptations (plays and musicals). Zephyrprince 05:10, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

Sure. Can you propose how to do this? [[User:JonMoore|— —JonMoore 20:24, 29 May 2006 (UTC)]] 23:02, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

This will actually be a bit easier by the end of October when the new 3-DVD set will include the silent movies. Also, consider including (or involving?) John Fricke somehow, he's probably the best living historian on Judy Garland/Oz. --JohnDBuell | Talk 19:48, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

I've added a page on The Magic Cloak of Oz and added to The Fairylogue and Radio-Plays, His Majesty, the Scarecrow of Oz and The Wonderful Wizard of Oz (1910 film). I've added a little bit to Wizard of Oz (1925 film). I should be doing The Patchwork Girl of Oz (1914 film) within the next week or so, as well as a page on The Oz Film Manufacturing Company. I also added a page on Louis F. Gottschalk. Scottandrewhutchins 03:09, 21 July 2006 (UTC)Scottandrewhutchins

New Oz categories

I (along with User:The stuart) have created some new Oz categories, to help better sort Oz articles. I am also currently trying to get approval for Oz stub categories. Thanks for all the help. [[User:JonMoore|— —JonMoore 20:24, 29 May 2006 (UTC)]] 02:17, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

Roger S. Baum

I've started a page on Roger S. Baum. Include/expand as you see fit. --JohnDBuell | Talk 19:48, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

Featured article The Wonderful Wizard of Oz

This article was nominated on Featured article removal candidates on November 6th. *Exeunt* Ganymead ^Dialogue? 19:01, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

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Please vote

I've set forth a proposal for splitting much of the content currently on The Wonderful Wizard of Oz into a seperate article, The Wizard of Oz as allegory. I'd appreciate your votes and input on this matter. See: Talk:The Wonderful Wizard of Oz --Woggly 08:41, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

"Wicked"

I've started adding different articles about the actors/actresses associated with Wicked. Any help would be appreciated! --Conor 22:32, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Return to Oz disambiguation

I added the 1964 Return to Oz (television special) and Return to Oz (disambiguation). Return to Oz was left defaulted to the 1985 movie. Dl2000 01:35, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Where did the scarecrow, tinman and lion come from?

I am quite interested where I missed the transformation of the humans into the scarecrow and tinman. I was under the impression that Fiero was changed into the scarecrow from Elphaba.

The musical is very unfaithful to its many sources. The tin man was orginally a man named Nick Chopper. The wicked book and the orginal oz books confirm this. also the the other two were always what they are now. A scarecrow and a lion. They were never human. Also Never use Wicked to explain the orginal books or any of the movies. The book is more faithfull to the orginal works, but it should be considerd carfully.Lego3400: The Sage of Time 18:12, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Wikiproject tag and book articles

I noticed that only a few of the Oz book articles actually had the OzWikiproject tag included, so I've taken the liberty of adding it to all of them. I also added the tag for Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels since it had already been added to a few of the early books and my attitude is you might as well include all of them. The Novels Wikiproject incidentally has developed an infobox for books that might be useful if added to the various Oz book articles. 23skidoo 17:07, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Video game

If i recall correctly (which i do) there was a side scrolling Video game based of THE wizard of oz movie. The game was for SNES. just wanted to note that. Lego3400: The Sage of Time 18:12, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

FYI

Just so you guys know, I'm working on adding your {{Oz-project}} to all the articles found in Category:Oz using AWB because they are all within your scope. Cbrown1023 15:10, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

I added the {{Oz-project}} tag to about 100 articles. I also created Category:WikiProject Oz articles and made it so any article in which your banner is added to automatically gets added to the category also. Cbrown1023 21:28, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

The {{Oz-project}} has been added to Lost Girls (the new Alan Moore graphic novel -- mature content) but I'm not sure if this should really be included - does anyone from this project want to pop over and have a look? Curiousbadger 21:45, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Technically, it belongs in the project since it is a book about an Oz character (Dorothy Gale is in it)... It was added because it was an Category:Oz books. Don't know what to say, it should probably stay because it does relate to the scope of the project as identified by the project banner. Cbrown1023 22:08, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for having a look - keeping the tag is fine by me but I just wanted to run it past people at this end incase it was a bot edit, just because the contents of the book are, ah, somewhat different from the rest of the Oz canon! Curiousbadger 22:18, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

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Complaints

If I'm totally out of order writing this complaint here, please let me know. I'm complaining that I added data on the Tik-Tok and Humpty Dumpty pages the other day and they've been edited. The editing itself is by and by, but that the discussion pages on those articles have no-one say "I deleted these paragraphs because..." is what bugs me. Isn't there an etiquette about these things...? *grrr*. [User: Stripey].

Sherwood Smith books

How do these books fit into the Oz canon: The Emerald Wand of Oz and Trouble Under Oz. The books themselves make it quite clear (through a sticker on the cover) that they are fully authorized by the Baum Trust and that Sherwood Smith is a "Royal Historian". However, apart from the stub articles that I have created, there doesn't seem to be much mention of her an an Oz author. She has been commissioned to write four Oz stories so far and I assume they are canonical. Jonks 10:55, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia Day Awards

Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 17:37, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

General Jinjur/Jinjur

Hello- I've been working on the disambig for Oz and I noticed there are two existing pages for the character Jinjur :General Jinjur and Jinjur. Since I am not that fluent in the world of Oz, I'll leave someone here to decide which is the more appropriate page and fix the double. Hope this helps. Thanks! --Cabiria 05:32, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

It's been some time, and nobody's done anything about this, so I added a sentence about Matilda Joslyn Gage to Jinjur and turned General Jinjur into a redirect. Hope that's OK. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 00:24, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Todd McFarlane "Twisted Land of Oz"

The articles for the major characters from The Wonderful Wizard of Oz contain descriptions of the horrifically distorted versions created for a toy line by Todd McFarlane. Unlike adaptations such as Wicked, or even Lost Girls, this toy line has no particular cultural impact as far as I can tell. I can't see why these versions of the characters would be considered encyclopedic. Would anyone object if they were removed? —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 23:22, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Right, in the absence of any objection (here or at Talk:McFarlane Toys, where I also mentioned it) I'm going to remove them. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 18:56, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

So you're like "Mr. Censorship" now?! Who cares if it has a cultural impact? It is pop culture! Or art! Or whatever! In a pedia that has articles about almost everything under the sun, why remove something because you apparently don't like it. The figurines each come with a chapter in the twisted story that was created as a backdrop for the toy line. This story version is no worse than Wicked - so why would you remove it?Phx Johnny 00:03, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

I removed it because I couldn't find any indication that these toys were notable. I know that Todd McFarlane is noteworthy, but was there any discussion of these toys in major media? Even in comics media? If there was, please provide it and the content can be restored, with citations to whatever reliable sources discuss them and their versions of the Oz characters. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 05:06, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Dude, there was no need whatsoever to take it out. It's an alternate version of the story. And so what if it's not mainstream? It never will be if people like you keep it away from the public eye! - Dave —Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.130.32.202 (talk) 04:56, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

(replying over two years later, 'cause I just noticed this) A random fan's fanfic could also be "an alternate version of the story". Not every interpretation is noteworthy, and the way that we judge that here is by seeing whether something has been mentioned in reliable secondary sources. The goal of Wikipedia isn't to promote or suppress any one interpretation, but to summarize all the interpretations which are noteworthy. The only question is whether a story that accompanied a line of toys is important enough to be included in such a summary — and if it wasn't mentioned in any secondary sources, it probably isn't. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 21:23, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Homosexual significance of Oz?

(Cross-posted to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject LGBT studies)

I've just read Gregory Maguire's introduction to A Wonderful Welcome to Oz, a compendium of three of Baum's Oz novels. In it, he says in passing (while talking about the gender change of the boy Tip to the girl Ozma), "...nor do I interest myself, here, in the reasons why Oz has become a metaphor for the safe and welcoming home for which gay men have long longed." This made me wonder whether there are sources which have discussed the significance of Oz for gay men in the 20th century. It's certainly entered the language — we all know what a "friend of Dorothy" signifies — but I've never seen an explanation of why Oz is so commonly connected with gay culture. (It probably has something to do with Judy Garland.) Now, obviously we can't engage in original research on this subject; so I was wondering whether there are reliable sources which have addressed this connection, and if so, what articles could or should incorporate mention of this appropriation. If Batman can sustain an entire section on Batman#Homosexual interpretations, surely there's some Oz article which has room for "the gay". —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 00:51, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

There are numerous sources that discuss this. One i have says:

"Film of 1939 delighting children, those young at heart, and queer-identified persons, especially gay men, for generations. The film stars Judy Garland, a gay icon.... A number of gay anaylses of the film, most notably that by Jungian writer Robert Hopcke that while this sentimental film is appreciated by many individuals, it holds a special resonance for queer-identified persons in juxtaposing everyday reality, ie homophobic, lesbophobic, biphobic, and transgenderphobic reality, represented by Kansas, to a magical land of acceptance....Queer-identified persons discover kinship in a majority of the characters [description of charaacters and why they are identified with]....When the film is shown in a theatre, like the Castro theatre in SF, it is transformed into a rite celebrating acceptance and community. "

Also (another source):

"In recent years,queer people have begun reading texts as queer even when messages were not (consciously) encrypted by their authors. This kind of "cross-reading", according to Creekmur and Doty, in their introduction to Out in Culture, depends on camp. They eyplained the queer resonance that the movie The Wizard of Oz has for gay men and lesbians by pointing out that almost everyone in thefilm lives a double life: "It's emotionally confused and oppressed teenage heroine longs for a world in which her inner desires can be expressed freely and fully. Dorothy finds this world in a technocolor land 'over the rainbow' inhabitied by a sissy lion, an artifical man who cannot stop crying, and a butch femme-couple of witches".

I've just put these on the talk page for now. If no-one else gets to it, it write it up as a section on monday (no time now - job interview!)YobMod 06:27, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

References

Redlinks

An awful lot of redlinks and a very listy "Music" section have been added to The Wizard of Oz (1902 stage play). Would some project members take a look? Best regards, -- Ssilvers (talk) 22:59, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Oz comics

There are a number of comics listed under Oz books including Dorothy (comic book), Oz (comic book series), Oz Squad, Lost Girls and The Enchanted Apples of Oz (as well as a number of other red links) and I was wondering if, "Category: Oz comics," a child of Oz book might be a more suitable place to collect them (or even something under the Oz category parallel to the books) and also under Category: Comics based on fiction (and possibly Category: Fantasy comics). I thought it best to check with you first to make sure you are OK with this. (Emperor (talk) 16:32, 23 April 2008 (UTC))

Novels Collaboration of the Month

The Wonderful Wizard of Oz has been selected as the Novels WikiProject Collaboration of the Month for January 2009. Please help improve this article towards featured article status once again. Cheers. – Liveste (talk • edits) 03:12, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Awesome! I nominated it several months ago and it's great to see it finally be selected. In fact, I'm going to go make some minor improvements right now. S. Luke (talk) 11:17, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Vandal with Oz fetish

Today, I stumbled over vandalism from this guy (third in the list). Since he has a thing about the Wizard of Oz, I thought you might want to keep an eye out for him. Regards, Paradoctor (talk) 21:13, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

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Land of Oz

When I read WWO, I noticed (correct me if I'm wrong) that the place is never called Oz. Oz is the name of the wizard. So why was the book called that? Was it a decision by the publisher? There seems to be nothing in the article about this. Why not? Has no reliable source mentioned it? Peter jackson (talk) 10:47, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Expansion/Correction needed for note 2

NOTE 2 SHOULD READ:

Margaret P. Esmonde, "From Little Buddy to Big Brother: The Icon of the Robot in Children's Science

                 Fiction," in Thomas P. Dunn and Richard D. Erlich, eds., The Mechanical God: Machines in Science Fiction 
                (Westport, CT: Greenwood Press, 1982): 85.

--ErlichRD (talk) 15:32, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Portal:Children's literature at peer review

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Quality assessment of Oz articles

I recently added the quality assessment scale to the template, and requested a bot to automatically assess the unassessed articles. There are still quite a few related articles that don't have the {{Oz-project}} banner on the talk page, but anyone interested in properly classifying the articles already tagged, can check out Category:Oz articles by quality. Thanks! Fortdj33 (talk) 16:17, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Third opinion needed at Talk:Oz the Great and Powerful

There's a minor edit war going on at Oz the Great and Powerful. The film is explicitly set in 1905 and it is also supposed to be set 20 years before the events of The Wonderful Wizard of Oz. I inserted a parenthetical note indicating that, contrary to the implication of this setting, the original novel was written and presumably set in 1900. It has been repeatedly removed by an anonymous editor. If others agree with the anon that this parenthetical insertion is unnecessary, I'm willing to drop the matter, but if the only objection is from one anonymous editor I'm inclined to keep it in the article.

So anybody with an opinion on the matter is invited to share it at Talk:Oz the Great and Powerful#"20 years before". Thanks. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 02:14, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

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Where to locate Wizard of Oz related pop-up books?

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