Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ballet

Royal Opera House

Hello all,

Tim riley and I visited the Royal Opera House in London on Wednesday to talk to them about Wikipedia and run a short "how to edit" session. One of their staff (OperaBalletRose) has been expanding the articles on various operas and ballets over the past few months (mostly with synopses), and they're interested in getting more of their staff up to speed to help with this.

Alongside this, they're interested in hosting some kind of editathon event; we haven't got a firm date yet, but it'll probably be in June, and probably on a Saturday. If you might be interested in coming along to the ROH for a look behind the scenes and a chance to work with some of their collections, do get in touch - I'll let you know a firm date as soon as we've sorted it out! Andrew Gray (talk) 14:19, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

Women's History Month is in March

Hi everyone at WikiProject Ballet!

Women's history month is around the corner, in March, and we're planning the second WikiWomen's History Month.

This event, which is organized by volunteers from the WikiWomen's Collaborative, supports improving coverage about women's history during the month of March. Events take place both offline and online. We are encouraging WikiProjects to focus on women's history related to their subject for the month of March. Ideas include:

• Women's roles as performers, directors, writers and instructors in the ballet.
• The importance of women's roles in ballet
• Music, works and styles of ballet that have specifically impacted women and women's history

We hope you'll participate! You can list your your project focus here, and also help improve our to-do list. Thank you for all you do for Wikipedia and stop by my talk page with any questions! SarahStierch (talk) 00:14, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

Clarification needed

I posted this question at Talk:Ballet but received no answer, so I'm asking here too in the hope that someone knows the answer. I recently returned to a problem that was previously discussed but never resolved, pertaining to the definitions of Vaganova method, Cecchetti method, and Bournonville method. Since all three articles have the same issue, I'll focus on Vaganova. The lede says Vaganova method is "a ballet technique and training system", but it's not clear to me what that means. I've come up with several possible interpretations:

Vaganova method is:

1. a ballet training system used to teach generic ballet technique. A dancer would learn the same technique from any training system. The name refers only to the training system.
2. a ballet training system used to teach generic ballet technique that has some proprietary (Vaganova-specific) characteristics. A dancer would learn the same technique from any training system, except for the proprietary parts. The name refers only to the training system.
3. a ballet training system used to teach completely proprietary ballet technique. A dancer would not learn any of the same technique from any other training system, though a skilled dancer might be able to learn it by herself. The name refers only to the training system.
4. a ballet training system used to teach generic ballet technique that has some proprietary (Vaganova-specific) characteristics, and the term can also refer to the proprietary parts of the technique. A dancer would learn the same technique from any training system, except for the proprietary parts. The training system and proprietary parts of the technique share a common name.
5. a ballet training system used to teach completely proprietary ballet technique, and the term can also refer to the technique. A dancer would not learn any of the same technique from any other training system, though a skilled dancer might be able to learn it by herself. The training system and technique share a common name.
6. an inseparable "system" consisting of a ballet training system and the completely proprietary ballet technique it teaches. It's impossible to independently learn the technique or exhibit it when not training, because training and technique are inseparable. The name refers to the inseparable system.

Which of these is correct, or is it something else altogether?

Ballet dancers by gender cat names

The most pressing issue is that I just created Category:German danceurs which is an obvious misspelling. That category is being considered for renaming at CfD. I was hoping to get some comments on that and not have it speedied. If it does get speedied to German danseurs, I guess for now the discussion will have to be here, although I am thinking about proposing a rename to the parent Category:Danseurs. The issue as I see it is Danseur redirects to Ballet dancers. Under "gendered titles" it says that danseur is the French term for a male ballter dancer and gives danseuse as the French female equivalent. It then mentions ballerimo as the Italian term. It never says either term is accepted in English. It does in the next section imply that ballerina is a general term for female ballet dancers. So I see three possible ways to sort this out. 1-we could leave categories as they are. If we do this it would imply that danseur is an accepted English term, and we should say this explicitly in the ballet dancer article. I have actually found a female involved in modern dance in the danseur category, so I get the impression that not everyone understands it as a term for male ballet dancers. 2-we could rename Category:Danseurs to Category:Male ballet dancers but leave Category:Ballerinas. The theory here is that we use common names, and these are the common names in English. I am not familiar enough with ballet to say if this is true, but I would say up until about a week ago I had no clue waht was up with Category:Danseur I had seen several articles in, but I at least vaguely understood ballerinas were female ballet dancers. 3-However what I really think would work best with how people currently use terms, at least who know very little about ballet, would be to rename Category:Danseurs to Category:Male ballet dancers and rename Category:Ballerinas to Category:Female ballet dancers. This has the advantage of being clear as to who belongs in each category. In the danseurs category I am not sure it is always clear that it is limited to males or that it is limited to ballet. In the ballerinas category, I think its gender and ballet limits are more clear, the problem there is actually of a different nature. Historically ballerina is more euivalent to diva. While it seems that in common use it has come to mean female ballet dancer, the attempt to use it as such may offend purist. Also, its being limited to females may not be universally agreed upon, I am not sure on that though. Lastly, some people want us to use parrallel forms between categories, and it does help to make it clear what categories are. I have to say for now though I am not strongly inclined to any of these courses, which is why I am seeking comments on the issue.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:51, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

• My personal preference is number 3; it would be clear to any reader. Lambtron (talk) 20:04, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
• Thank you for taking to the time to lay out the issues so clearly. I support option 3. I don't believe that the term danseur is accepted in English, though ballet, being somewhat an international community, certainly has some male ballet dancers from English speaking countries that identify with the term. A quick search of New York Times articles shows they seem to only use the term within the narrower term of "danseur noble", prefering to refer to dancers by their heirarchic title, such as "soloist" or "principal dancer", and often using the term "male ballet dancer". I prefer option three over option two simply because the term ballerina seems to put women who are ballet dancers on a bit of a pedestal, but I also agree that there are more likely to be more debates over what level of diva-ness a dancer needs to earn the term which could be avoided by using the term female ballet dancer. Thanks again. Dkreisst (talk) 22:27, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Category:Danseurs

Per the above discussion I have nominated Category:Danseurs and Category:Ballerinas and most sub-cats for renaming. See the cats for links to discussionJohn Pack Lambert (talk) 23:56, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Capitalization in French language titles

It has been my understanding that titles in French (and some other languages - Italian, Spanish, etc) capitalize only the first word, even if an article, and proper names. Is this general rule not applicable to ballets? Compare the form used for operas, e.g. La traviata, etc. I tried to move Les Millions d'Arlequin to Les millions d'Arlequin, but was disallowed; and then saw that Les millions d'Arlequin redirects to the capitalized form. Coming to this ballet from Riccardo Drigo, I see there that some French titles are given in lower case, but apparently a little haphazardly. Also compare this situation to L'oiseau de feu, Le baiser de la fée, Les noces, Le sacre du printemps, Le pas d'acier (Prokofiev), etc, as some top-of-the-head picks. Milkunderwood (talk) 04:23, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Royal Opera House event - 22 June

Following up from my post a couple of months ago, I am delighted to let you know that the Royal Opera House are hosting an editathon focusing on the works of Sir Frederick Ashton, to be held on Saturday 22 June 2013. The day will provisionally include some form of behind-the-scenes tour, though we're still working on organising the details. If you're interested, please sign up now and keep the date free - it'd be great to see you there! Andrew Gray (talk) 23:53, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

Template

Getting ready for the Editathon, above, I have put a request at Template talk:Infobox ballet on which I'd be grateful for project members' views. Tim riley (talk) 15:44, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

David Howard article just increased in priority...

David Howard, former Royal Ballet soloist and master instructor has passed away. Also confirmed via Dance Magazine on Twitter. I've added his name to the David Howard dismabig page, now somebody just needs to wait for the comprehensive obits to come in to create his article.

More info GreaseballNYC (talk) 20:37, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

I took the liberty of changing him from David Howard (ballet master) to David Howard (ballet teacher) (which is what he was best-known as.) — Robert Greer (talk) 21:03, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

Harriet Toby

American actress and ballet dancer Harriet Toby was killed in a plane crash in 1952. Anyone up to writing an article on her? Mjroots (talk) 16:46, 28 February 2014 (UTC). How to find out more about her?

WikiProject Dance: Determining Notability

Hello, I’m writing here because ofWikipedia:WikiProject Ballet's close relation toWikiProject Dance. Myself and another editor, User:Mwacha are interested in developing some notability guidelines on WikiProject Dance for dancers, dance critics, performers, and other genre articles as there is no such thing at the moment comparable to what I have heard other editors use for Visual Arts, IE “if they are collected in a major museum, then they are considered notable.” There are of course exceptions to this standard but it is nice to have a rule of thumb to help with AfD, and other moderated discussions. We hope to start this discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Dance under Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Dance#Notability Guidelines.OR drohowa (talk) 18:56, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Dalal Achcar

Dear ballet experts: Is this old AfC submission about a notable dancer? Are there references that are not in English? —Anne Delong (talk) 06:13, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Forthcoming ballet editathon, Covent Garden

The Royal Opera House and Wikimedia UK are running a ballet editathon at Covent Garden, London on Saturday 25 October 2014. The focus will be on the ballets of Kenneth MacMillan Lunch and experts provided! Click here for more details and to sign up. Tim riley talk 11:55, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

Editta Braun company - A modern dance company from Austria with international works

Hallo,

I am Sindy and I wanted to ask you for help, since I do not have many experiences with Wikipedia and I am somehow lost ...

It's concerning a site for the international working dance group "Editta Braun company" from Salzburg/Austria. In further times, I had been working with the group, that's why I know very well, how the group and the choreographer Editta Braun is working: with an international team of dancers, musicians, technicians and many others. The group is touring for years all over the world. Therefore it would be very usefull for foreign theaters and stages as well as for the English speaking audience to get some information in English about the company. Moreover the dance group had won already several international prices, which means that the company is of international interest. That is the reason - and because I like their work a lot - that I wish to create an English article in Wikipedia for the company.

There is allready a draft existing. But since there must have been once an article about that group, which had been deleted, my new articel seems to be blocked. :-(

Here you can find the article:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Editta_Braun_Company

A user, Anne Delong, who tried to improve the article, since she find it usefull, gave me the advice, to ask here in WikiProjectBallet for help.

Could you please help by telling me, what you think is necessary to change in the article, that it can get online?

Thank you very much for helping!

Kind regards,

Sindy

Royal Ballet Programme Offer

My name is Rachel Beaumont and I work at the Royal Opera House. We are able to offer a small number of Royal Ballet programmes from the 2014/15 Season free of charge to interested Wikipedians for research purposes, as part of our ongoing project with Wikimedia UK to help improve Wikipedia’s articles on opera and ballet. Royal Ballet programmes include cast details, a production history and several essays by leading academics and commentators. Please see below a list of available titles.

If you are interested, please get in touch via by email to rachel.beaumont at roh.org.uk with your address and which titles you would like.

We have a similar offer for Royal Opera programmes – please see here for details.

Programmes available:

• Afternoon of a Faun / In the Night / Song of the Earth
• Alice's Adventures in Wonderland
• Ceremony of Innocence / The Age of Anxiety / Aeternum
• La Fille mal gardée
• The Four Temperaments / Untouchable / Song of the Earth
• Manon
• Scènes de ballet / Five Brahms Waltzes in the Manner of Isadora Duncan / Symphonic Variations / A Month in the Country
• Woolf Works

Rachel Beaumont (talk) 17:11, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

Misty Copeland PR

Misty Copeland could use a reviewer at WP:PR.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:22, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Ballet navbox transcluded on 1400+ pages

As per WP:BIDIRECTIONAL, navboxes generally should only be placed on the articles they link to. {{Ballet}} is currently transcluded on over 1400+ articles. Is there any reason to ignore BIDIRECTIONAL in this case? A recent bot request requested a bot to be created to remove the excess transclusions, so I'm trying to gauge community opinion on doing so. ~ Rob^Talk 11:11, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

The answer to your question is no. Thanks for asking and for your work. Dkreisst (talk) 09:28, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

Aplomb content problems

Some phrasing and other content problems have popped up at aplomb. Comments and input from informed editors would be welcome at the associated discussion. Lambtron (talk) 18:00, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

RfC about use of Template:Ballet in an article

You may be interested in the RfC at Talk:Agnes_de_Mille#RfC. ~ Rob^Talk 15:57, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

Misty Copeland at WP:FAC

Please join the discussion at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Misty Copeland/archive1.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 00:24, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Auto-assessment of article classes

Following a recent discussion at WP:VPR, there is consensus for an opt-in bot task that automatically assesses the class of articles based on classes listed for other project templates on the same page. In other words, if WikiProject A has evaluated an article to be C-class and WikiProject B hasn't evaluated the article at all, such a bot task would automatically evaluate the article as C-class for WikiProject B.

If you think auto-assessment might benefit this project, consider discussing it with other members here. For more information or to request an auto-assessment run, please visit User:BU RoBOT/autoassess. This is a one-time message to alert projects with over 1,000 unassessed articles to this possibility. ~ Rob^Talk 22:18, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

Albion's Dance: British Ballet during the Second World War (new book)

New book: Albion's Dance: British Ballet during the Second World War by Karen Eliot, 2016, Oxford University Press. Maybe useful for articles in Category:British ballerinas, a section on United Kingdom in History_of_ballet#20th_century_and_modernism, and an article for the Category:United Kingdom home front during World War II/Category:Cultural history of World War II. Jodi.a.schneider (talk) 18:48, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

Thomas Lund (dancer)

Would someone from this WikiProject take a look at Thomas Lund (dancer) and assess it? None of the article content is supported by citations to reliable sources, so it's not clear if this person meets WP:BIO. Thanks in advance. -- Marchjuly (talk) 11:35, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

American Ballet Theatre

Just a heads-up, there are a boatload of IP edits being made on American Ballet Theatre, revising dancers and their positions. They're not sourced, but neither are the items being replaced. Someone who knows this company might want to keep an eye on it. TJRC (talk) 23:18, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

Monteverdi peer review

User:Brianboulton and I have sought to significantly expand, and improve the quality of, the article on Claudio Monteverdi and would be very grateful for any comments at the Peer Review which we have just launched here. Many thanks, Smerus (talk) 16:15, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

Claudio Monteverdi for FA

Following a very helpful peer review, Brianboulton and I have now resolved to subject the article to an FA candidature, and welcome all and any constructive comment. --Smerus (talk) 16:47, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

Cleveland Ballet ‎

Can we have some eyes on Cleveland Ballet. It's being edited by Dnahat (talk · contribs), who, judging from the username, is the man who was intimately involved with the formation and running of the both Cleveland Ballet and Ballet San Jose, and is someone I admire very much. Assuming the editor is actually who his username suggests, his additions are no doubt factually correct, but are unsupported by any WP:RS.

I've tried to let him know via his talk page, but I don't think he's seeing my comments or paying attention to them. I think his input would be valuable, but we really need citations.

If anyone has cites for the changes he's making, or might be better at getting through to him, I'd invite you to do so. He's edited Jumpers (play), for example, but I was able to find sources I could add for his edits, so I added them rather than reverting. TJRC (talk) 19:37, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

Istvan Martin

Hi, just asking if anyone would like to improve this article which I've just added a WP:BLPPROD to, regards Atlantic306 (talk) 16:19, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

Creating Biography regarding dancer

I am looking to write about some dancers that I have researched. If I could have the help of someone to edit my work or to look through it I would appreciate the consensus as I am new and would like that my article is of a high standard. Let me know as I am currently working on the article — Preceding unsigned comment added by DanceEnthusiast (talk • contribs) 23:31, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Maria Tallchief § Google Doodle traffic

 You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Maria Tallchief § Google Doodle traffic. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 19:47, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Category:Miscellaneous ballet character redirects to lists has been nominated for deletion

Category:Miscellaneous ballet character redirects to lists has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. -BRAINULATOR9 (TALK) 02:15, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Rachel S. Moore at AfC - anyone a reviewer?

I submitted a draft on Rachel S. Moore that's been sitting in the queue at AfC for six weeks. She is undeniably notable, but I submitted it as a disclosed paid editor, which means it will sit and sit. Is anyone a reviewer? She is the president and CEO of the Performing Arts Center of Los Angeles County (The Music Center), which operates the Walt Disney Concert Hall, the Dorothy Chandler Pavilion, the Ahmanson Theater, the Mark Taper Forum, and Grand Park. A former ballet dancer, she was the executive director and CEO of American Ballet Theatre (ABT) from 2004 to 2015. Thanks in advance. JSFarman2 (talk) 21:19, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

User script to detect unreliable sources

Main page: User:Headbomb/unreliable

I have (with the help of others) made a small user script to detect and highlight various links to unreliable sources and predatory journals. Some of you may already be familiar with it, given it is currently the 39th most imported script on Wikipedia. The idea is that it takes something like

• John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14. (John Smith "[https://www.deprecated.com/article Article of things]" ''Deprecated.com''. Accessed 2020-02-14.)

and turns it into something like

• John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14.

It will work on a variety of links, including those from {{cite web}}, {{cite journal}} and {{doi}}.

The script is mostly based on WP:RSPSOURCES, WP:NPPSG and WP:CITEWATCH and a good dose of common sense. I'm always expanding coverage and tweaking the script's logic, so general feedback and suggestions to expand coverage to other unreliable sources are always welcomed.

Do note that this is not a script to be mindlessly used, and several caveats apply. Details and instructions are available at User:Headbomb/unreliable. Questions, comments and requests can be made at User talk:Headbomb/unreliable.

- Headbomb {t · c · p · b}

This is a one time notice and can't be unsubscribed from. Delivered by: MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:00, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

Project-independent quality assessments

Quality assessments are used by Wikipedia editors to rate the quality of articles in terms of completeness, organization, prose quality, sourcing, etc. Most wikiprojects follow the general guidelines at Wikipedia:Content assessment, but some have specialized assessment guidelines. A recent Village pump proposal was approved and has been implemented to add a |class= parameter to {{WikiProject banner shell}}, which can display a general quality assessment for an article, and to let project banner templates "inherit" this assessment.

No action is required if your wikiproject follows the standard assessment approach. Over time, quality assessments will be migrated up to {{WikiProject banner shell}}, and your project banner will automatically "inherit" any changes to the general assessments for the purpose of assigning categories.

However, if your project decides to "opt out" and follow a non-standard quality assessment approach, all you have to do is modify your wikiproject banner template to pass {{WPBannerMeta}} a new |QUALITY_CRITERIA=custom parameter. If this is done, changes to the general quality assessment will be ignored, and your project-level assessment will be displayed and used to create categories, as at present. Aymatth2 (talk) 20:15, 9 April 2023 (UTC)