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Redirects and disambiguation that treat the original term as non-existentEdit

This is a small example of a larger problem. I just searched for the name Tiphaine, an historical character referenced in a book I am reading. There are lots and lots of real people named Tiphaine out there, as I found in my searches. Wikipedia, however, redefines the name, without any explanation, and opens a Tiffany disambiguation page. Users should at least be told why this is happening. Merry medievalist (talk) 12:39, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

@Merry medievalist: Good spot. I've created a new dab Tiphaine. Certes (talk) 13:14, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

National TrustEdit

Why is National Trust listed as an example in WP:DABCONCEPT? That article is about a specific organisation in the UK. National trust, on the other hand, is closer to being a broad-concept article, but is actually just a list. I suggest we delete that specific example, as the other two will do. ― Hebsen (talk) 14:58, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

tndis or hndis?Edit

I have created Mahmud I (disambiguation) and Mahmud II (disambiguation), and tagged them for the moment with {{disambiguation}}. What is the more appropriate tag here - {{disambiguation|hndis}} or {{disambiguation|tndis}}? And how should the {{DEFAULTSORT}} be structured? Henry II uses {{human name disambiguation|Henry 02}} but most similar articles don't give any clue as to sorting. Leschnei (talk) 14:35, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

hndis here, I think. The sequence suffix is still part of the "name", not a title. Default sort should follow that 02 example (WP:SORTKEY). -- JHunterJ (talk) 14:51, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
I agree with JHJ: hndis. IMO, tndis is only right when a title precedes the personal name. (Cases where a title follows the name are rare, and more of a grey area.) I also agree about the sortkey; I suspect there are many DAB pages ending in a Roman numeral where no-one has thought to add one. Narky Blert (talk) 15:26, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
Thanks, I've changed the templates to {{human name disambiguation|Mahmud 01}} (and 02). And yes, most of the DAB pages that I looked at, that end with Roman numerals, have no sortkey. Leschnei (talk) 16:08, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
It is fortunate that the Roman numerals up to 38 are in alphabetical order apart from 9, 19 and 29. Certes (talk) 16:29, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
In theory, we could create a sortkey just for name-plus-Roman numeral combinations. There must be a few hundred of them. BD2412 T 16:48, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

Commons Category template on disambiguation pages?Edit

While reading Template:Commons category, I ran across the sentence "On disambiguation pages, this template is usually placed at the top of the page.". I've always assumed that this is a sister project that shouldn't be included on DAB pages (WP:DABSISTER). Am I correct? And if so, should this sentence be removed from the template instructions? Leschnei (talk) 13:57, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

This template is usually placed nowhere, with 173 exceptions. {{Wiktionary}} belongs atop a dab because both cover the title's multiple definitions. Commons categories are about one topic, so generally don't belong on dabs. Is there a case for having the template on pages such as Bandwagon, where the commons category matches an article that doesn't exist but might merit the title if it did? Certes (talk) 14:12, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
I don't recall ever seeing a commons link on a dab page, but we do sister link Wiktionary as a matter of course, and at the top of the page. I don't think WP:DABSISTER applies to this (or Wiktionary); it's not creating a dab list entry. I suppose if an ambiguous title has a matching commons category, it could be sister linked, but I'd be inclined to put it in the See also rather than at the top -- I don't have any heartburn over not including it at all or including it at the top though. -- JHunterJ (talk) 14:13, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
It just struck me as odd because it made it sound like the template is usually added to DAB pages and because it would go at the top. Leschnei (talk) 00:22, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
Including {{commons category}} seems to offend against MOS:DABICON. ({{wikt}} is in a different class because, like an InterWiki link, it points to further disambiguation.) Narky Blert (talk) 06:46, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

When to start a DAB page?Edit

I notice there are now three different women in WP with the same name (Michelle King). The articles have hatnotes on them but maybe there should be a DAB page listing all three? MurielMary (talk) 04:10, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Some editors do like to create dab pages as soon as there are three articles, but I think the current hatnote is short enough that a dab page would just be an unnecessary extra step for anyone wanting the other two articles. The guideline suggests creating a dab page after a hatnote would take up more than one line on most screens. Station1 (talk) 05:54, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
We would also require a dab if there were no primary topic. However, in this case I think we are right to keep the TV writer at the base name. Certes (talk) 10:00, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
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