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Template:Tonio Ranks

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 23:21, 9 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Tonio Ranks (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Delete or userfy. All entries are either unlinked, or point to articles in the "Draft:" space. Delete if the topic is deemed non-notable, otherwise userfy pending creation of the articles. NSH002 (talk) 19:33, 25 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Infobox television film

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The result of the discussion was Keep (NAC, SNOW). There is overwhelming consensus against the proposition. Codename Lisa (talk) 21:36, 27 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox television film (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Infobox film (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Propose merging Template:Infobox television film with Template:Infobox film.
Largely overlapping. A comparison of parameters is available. This FAQ explains why redundant templates should be merged. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:55, 25 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

As it happens, a merge with {{Infobox television}} is very simple. I've already added the appropriate code to that template's sandbox.[1] This provides far better consistency across the TV project. --AussieLegend (✉) 18:19, 27 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support an {{Infobox television}} merge, but I think it'd be better to have a fresh nom. Alakzi (talk) 18:25, 27 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Fighting game character

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The result of the discussion was do not merge. (nac) Alakzi (talk) 17:22, 20 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Fighting game character (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Infobox video game character (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Propose merging Template:Fighting game character with Template:Infobox video game character.
FGC is used as a module in 146 (about one quarter of) instances of VGC. The two should be merged. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:41, 25 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Someone pls close it already/ --185.34.28.184 (talk) 15:35, 12 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose merge I agree that it is appropriate to have a separate infobox. 146 instances is a large number, and the content of this box seems reasonably customized. Mamyles (talk) 15:54, 15 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Infobox Highlander character

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The result of the discussion was no consensus to delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 23:46, 8 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox Highlander character (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Redundant to {{Infobox character}}. (20 transclusions.) This FAQ explains why redundant templates should be merged. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:32, 25 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • keep or merge - no explanation why it should be deleted except that its redudant, which it is not. The replacement are missing a lot of parameters. Number of transclusions doenst matter Christian75 (talk) 21:00, 27 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • keep Infobox character does nor cover teachers/mentors or historic period of origin. Which are essential to Highlander characters. Dimadick (talk) 16:40, 7 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    We are writing a real-world encyclopedia. Are teachers, mentors, or historic period of origin in accordance with our guidelines on writing about fiction? --Izno (talk) 18:04, 7 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment There's a big problem with a lot of these parameters, and that's that they seem to be from a heavily in-universe perspective. We do not generally have fields for birthdate, and "Immortality" falls under similar problems. So we need to decide, is this Trivia -- in which case they should be removed, and the infobox is needless -- or we say this is an exception, that given they're immortals this is important in immediately understanding their character. If the latter, I'd argue a certain restructuring is in order, put them under a "Fictional" header, perhaps, but the template's worth keeping. Honestly, I lean towards the former, though I admit I'm not the most knowledgeable about Highlander. Just knowing they're "Immortals" is probably enough here, mortal characters aside. – The Millionth One (talk) (contribs) 15:54, 8 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • keep, not all the parameters are duplicated in {{Infobox character}}, and this isn't a merger discussion. could also see rewriting it as a frontend for {{Infobox character}}, but that can be discussed on the talk page. Frietjes (talk) 13:18, 10 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Looking at the transclusions where this is used, the customized fields aren't even used half of the time. This information (immortality date, teacher) should be in the content anyway. I also share The Millionth One's concern that these parameters may encourage writing from an in-universe prospective. Mamyles (talk) 16:03, 15 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom and Mamyles; low transclusion count, mostly redundant, no need for specialist character infoboxes for each fictional universe. -- 65.94.43.89 (talk) 03:54, 16 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom and Mamyles. Alakzi (talk) 17:28, 20 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep – It's not redundant to any other template and addresses very specific needs. For instance, sourced details in the articles show writers employed the oldest immortals as moral or authority figures to shape other characters' development. The slippery slope suggestions that it compels or discourages editors from building real-world article content in favour of in-universe are patently untrue. Of course details should also be in the article, just as leads summarise the main body. Indeed, the template is an aid to making Highlander articles better conform to WAF guidelines; there's scope for even more real-world oriented parameters like in similar usages, but XfD is never cleanup. No policy grounded rationale was given for deletion/merge--the supposed "FAQ" is an essay written & exclusively edited by the nom. --146.199.151.33 (talk) 21:32, 28 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Infobox pulps character

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The result of the discussion was no consensus to delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 23:45, 8 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox pulps character (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Redundant to {{Infobox character}}. Some parameters are crufty and perhaps best discarded. (Only 10 transclusions.) This FAQ explains why redundant templates should be merged. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:30, 25 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

keep or merge - no explanation why it should be deleted except that its redudant, which it is not. The replacement are missing a lot of parameters. Number of transclusions doenst matter Christian75 (talk) 20:59, 27 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
keep, not all the parameters are duplicated in {{Infobox character}}, and this isn't a merger discussion. Frietjes (talk) 13:18, 10 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Infobox Power Rangers character

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The result of the discussion was no consensus to delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 23:45, 8 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox Power Rangers character (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Redundant to {{Infobox character}}. (Has just 28 transclusions.) This FAQ explains why redundant templates should be merged. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:54, 25 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep - Uses custom parameters (such as Color and Zords) that are essential information for Power Rangers characters. ANDROS1337TALK 16:46, 26 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • @Andros 1337: {{Infobox character}} has six customisable parameter/label pairs. Why are they not adequate for that purpose, for just 28 articles? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:38, 26 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
      • Perhaps that would work. However, one thing that might be a potential source of problems is the colored header on the standard character template. Some Power Rangers characters have been more than one color, and this could be a potential source of edit warring on what color to use for the header. Do we go by the color they were most famous in, the color they served the longest in, or the color they most recently appeared in? We eliminated them from this template for this very reason, replacing it with a "Color" parameter that you simply add colored boxes to show the full history of all colors they have appeared in. ANDROS1337TALK 00:23, 27 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • keep per Andros 1137, and there is no polycy which states that the number of transclutions play any role. We have templates which are transclude by one article only, e.g. template:Hydrogen... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Christian75 (talk • contribs) 21:56, 27 April 2015‎
  • Delete as redundant, or modularise, as having five extra fields is not exactly ideal. Regardless, I've replaced one transclusion to demonstrate the conversion. Alakzi (talk) 23:14, 27 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • keep, not all the parameters are duplicated in {{Infobox character}}, and this isn't a merger discussion. the demonstrated conversion uses far too any of the generic lbl/data parameters. could also see rewriting it as a frontend for {{Infobox character}}, but that can be discussed on the talk page. Frietjes (talk) 13:17, 10 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete I'm not convinced that the use of a customized infobox is required here. Only a single field, color, is one that is especially relevant to an out-of-universe prospective. That could readily be accomplished with customized fields, as mentioned above. Mamyles (talk) 16:13, 15 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete low transclusion count and mostly redundant with the standard infobox. No need for each fictional universe to have a custom infobox -- 65.94.43.89 (talk) 03:56, 16 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Infobox Dune character

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The result of the discussion was no consensus to delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 23:44, 8 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox Dune character (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Redundant to {{Infobox character}}. (Has only 30 transclusions.) This FAQ explains why redundant templates should be merged. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:28, 25 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Some specific parameters are exclusive to this template, but the data itself can be preserved in other parameters in {{Infobox character}}, which is why customizable parameters were created in that template in the first place. See Princess Irulan for how this would be accomplished. And merging is an acceptable (and common) outcome for a deletion discussion.— TAnthonyTalk 00:00, 11 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Of course by merge I essentially mean convert the articles to use the main template and redirect it. Other templates up for deletion here may have more reason to stay separate but this one does not.— TAnthonyTalk 00:06, 11 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Infobox James Bond character

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The result of the discussion was no consensus. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 23:41, 8 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox James Bond character (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Redundant to {{Infobox character}}. (Has only 35 transclusions.) This FAQ explains why redundant templates should be merged. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:24, 25 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

keep or merge - no explanation why it should be deleted except that its redudant, which it is not. The replacement are missing a lot of parameters. Number of transclusions doenst matter Christian75 (talk) 20:59, 27 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
keep, not all the parameters are duplicated in {{Infobox character}}, and this isn't a merger discussion. could also see rewriting it as a frontend for {{Infobox character}}, but that can be discussed on the talk page. Frietjes (talk) 13:15, 10 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The only parameter that's not on Infobox character is "Henchmen," which could easily be included as one of the customized parameters. Mamyles (talk) 20:07, 22 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Infobox Jane Austen character

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The result of the discussion was no consensus. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 23:41, 8 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox Jane Austen character (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Redundant to {{Infobox character}}. Some parameters are crufty and perhaps best discarded. (Has just 19 transclusions.) This FAQ explains why redundant templates should be merged. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:21, 25 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

keep or merge - no explanation why it should be deleted except that its redudant, which it is not. The replacement are missing a lot of parameters. Number of transclusions doenst matter Christian75 (talk) 20:59, 27 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
keep, not all the parameters are duplicated in {{Infobox character}}, and this isn't a merger discussion. Frietjes (talk) 13:13, 10 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Some of these parameters are useful, and could not be readily customized on the standard character infobox. Mamyles (talk) 16:20, 15 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge or delete per nom; low transclusion count, and Jane Austen novels are not very different from many other novelists' characters. -- 65.94.43.89 (talk) 03:59, 16 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Very useful for people researching literary characters - which is the whole point of an encyclopaedia!!! Researching! This should be done on every classical literary authors that has common themes through their work instead of discarding it on a technicality — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.94.43.89 (talk) 22:59, May 15, 2015‎
  • keep, the infobox's parameters immediately indicate elements of the setting that might not be obvious at first reading (whether one is reading the novel or even the article, as is the case for the income or rank of the character), but are important to understand the novels. Besides, aside from innovating style and her influence on modern writing, the novels' subject matter has always been dubbed peculiar, as they are neither pure romance novels nor part of pre-realism, which was "uncharacteristic" of the time. 90.48.200.230 (talk) 17:33, 28 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - Parameters like income and age are the very definition of trivia/cruft, and similar in-universe details have been eliminated from the standard character infobox which is used in thousands of character articles. Many similar franchise-specific infoboxes have been deleted over the years for the same reason. If notable, this information should be presented within the body of an article within a Description or Plot section, as is the established convention. Infoboxes are intended as brief overviews of the article's notable facts, not collections of pertinent trivia like street addresses. I'm sorry but these details and Eyre's works are not exceptions.— TAnthonyTalk 19:28, 28 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:505 Games

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 23:23, 9 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Template:505 Games (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

There is already a page List of 505 video games, and also 505 Games is a big publisher, and that it is almost impossible to have a navbox to list all the games published by them. AdrianGamer (talk) 14:11, 25 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Histrefm

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 23:25, 9 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Histrefm (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused. Part of an inactive workgroup. Magioladitis (talk) 12:35, 25 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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