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June 27

Dick Tracy

I heard a rumour many many moons ago that a Guns n' Roses song on one of the "Use your Illusion" albums has the lyrics, "...get the money motherf*****r, I've got no more patience..." and that this relates to Warren Beatty and the movie Dick Tracy. It was said that Warren Beatty, the director of said movie, had claimed that all of the profits from the movie would be given to charity and due to this, many famous and influential people, including Axl Rose (the fat red haired guy from Guns n' Roses) had agreed to participate. When the film was released, he took all of the profits for himself. This ended his career in Hollywood and while previously a prolific director, has had little or no real box office success since. I have scoured our articles but can't find very much to support this claim and certainly nothing to support the Guns'n Roses connection. Yet, I note our articles on both and that he appears to have only released 5 movies since 1990's Dick Tracy which would go some way to supporting this claim. Is there any truth to this rumour? Any additional information would be deeply appreciated. Thanks Anton 81.131.40.58 (talk) 09:38, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

Well, for a start, Axl Rose had nothing to do with Dick Tracy, so that kind of scuppers your theory right from the off. There is, however, a connection between Rose and Beatty: Beatty was dating Stephanie Seymour but she left him for Rose (there's no accounting for taste). Rose seems to have harboured some deep animosity towards Beatty, as can be seen from his rant at the beginning of this clip from a 1992 concert. Beatty's thoughts on Rose are unrecorded. --Viennese Waltz 10:30, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

Dick Tracy is a Disney movie. It is impossible for the directory to claim all profits will go to charity when it is obvious to everyone that all profits will go to Disney. As for lack of a career, Beatty was in his 50s by the time he made that movie. In Hollywood, actors are over the hill by the time they hit 30. When they hit 50, they are assumed to be deceased. You can point to a handful of actors who continue making movies after 50, but look at the percent of all actors who continue after 50. It is a very small percent, primarily those who produce their own films. 12.207.168.3 (talk) 12:02, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

Agree with the two respondents above. Nothing about this adds up. Also, the song in question (Double Talkin’ Jive) was written by Izzy Stradlin, not Rose. Directors have no say about where the profits end up (other than their own payout, I suppose); if someone was going to make such a promise, it would have to be someone in production, such as an executive producer. The director makes the movie, but the producer is the money person. I'm also not sure I understand the supposed motive of the line; is Beatty supposed to be the motherfucker taking the money? Cause it kind of sounds like an exhortation to do so rather than a rebuke. Was the motherfucker supposed to take it from Beatty somehow? Matt Deres (talk) 14:51, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

As it was explained to me in the late 90's Beatty took the money and Axl then wanted his cut (which should have been paid to charity) to be returned to him, hence: "...get the money (to me) motherfucker (Beatty)..." The above all makes sense and I agree. Thanks, but what was Axl's overarching problem with Beatty then? Just that he used to date his girlfriend?! That would be a bit lame, a "suck it up sunshine" situation. Anton 81.131.40.58 (talk) 15:22, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

But why would Rose have wanted a cut of the profits if he didn't have anything to do with the making of the movie? As for why Rose had a problem with Beatty, the gossip rags said it was because Stephanie Seymour continued to see Beatty after she had supposedly left him for Rose. --Viennese Waltz 15:34, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

According to Axl in an interview with Del James, Izzy wrote that song in 1989, the year before Dick Tracy came out. 97.82.165.112 (talk) 00:34, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

Okay but then in this clip this clip he clearly says the song is about Beatty so why, get the money mother... what money did Beatty owe Axl? Anton 81.131.40.58 (talk) 09:22, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

Axl says a lot of crazy shit, and has for over 30 years. Band members often disagree on the writing of songs or on the meaning of their lyrics. As noted, Axl has no writing credit of the song, it was written by another band member before Axl ever had a beef with Beatty. I would take anything he says with a large heaping of grains of salt.--Jayron32 17:02, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

Advert music, cups come to life

There's an advert on British television at the moment for Lotus Biscoff (a sort of biscuit had with coffee). In the advert the cups come to life and try to steal the chap's biscuit. The music sounds familiar - perhaps from a film. Can anyone tell me what it is? DuncanHill (talk) 22:35, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

Sugar Plum Fantasy - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6p80mg2SX8 Nanonic (talk) 22:43, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

Thank you @Nanonic:, that is it. I think the advert stops before it gets to the more obviusly Sugar Plummy bit. DuncanHill (talk) 22:47, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

(and just in case) this is basically the "Dance of the Sugar Plum Fairy" from The Nutcracker. Simple English Wikipedia even has an article on it yay! There have been hundreds of musical references to this composition, and the dance also appears in Fantasia. ---Sluzzelin talk 22:51, 27 June 2019 (UTC)