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Isner-Mahut

What happened to the spectators of the Isner–Mahut match at the 2010 Wimbledon Championships? Were they given the opportunity to sit through all three days? Clarityfiend (talk) 01:12, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

I don't know for sure, but given how these events are usually ticketed, I'd say it's highly unlikely. If you look at this part of the Wimbledon site it describes how it runs the public ballot, and to quote a pertinent phrase: "It is not possible to request tickets for specific days or courts, as the day and court offered are chosen randomly by a computerised selection process". Given that and how the game was played, continuing on after other games on the later days, I'd suspect it'd just be whoever was there that day would stay there. --jjron (talk) 13:24, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

At Wimbledon you buy a ticket for a day, so unless someone had a ground pass for all 3 days they wouldn't have been able to watch the whole match. Since they were playing on an outside court tickets weren't sold for that court, so anyone with a general ticket (the ground pass referred to above) would have been able to get a seat on a first-come-first-served basis. Given my experience of visiting Wimbledon when the gates open (which is after tickets are sold and given to people) there is normally a very polite race to the outside courts with exciting matches on, so I suspect on days two and three of the their match this would have happened. As for the question, could anyone have watched it all? The answer is yes, but I doubt anyone did. Wimbledon continues to sell some tickets to it on the day (as opposed to in advance) and getting the first train to Wimbledon and joining the queue will almost always get you a ground pass (camping from about 3pm the day before normally guarantees a Centre Court ticket). As such someone could have simply queued up for all three days and watched the whole match. Prokhorovka (talk) 15:59, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. Clarityfiend (talk) 02:15, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Athletes' pay schedules

What is the pay schedule for athletes in major leagues (NFL, NBA, etc)? If someone is getting $10 million/year, do they get a lump sum, or is it paid out every two weeks using the same procedure as the groundskeepers and so on? Meelar (talk) 01:20, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

I see various unreliable postings stating MLB players get paid on the 1st and 15th of each month during the season. This article ("Baseball paychecks won't be bouncing next week after all") seems to corroborate the 15th part. Clarityfiend (talk) 02:06, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

In the NFL, I believe the players get payed for each game (you often hear players getting their "game check"), so that would mean that players get their salary in 17 installments, one for each game they play, including the "bye" week. See [1]. Players also get pay outside of salary, things like signing bonuses and peformance bonuses, and players who appear in the playoffs get additional money; but I think each player gets an equal share for each playoff game rather than getting part of their salary. Here is info on playoff payouts for NFL players. Players do NOT get paid during the offseason or pre-season, even if they are working out and playing in games, for the "practice squad" players (i.e. those who only practice with the team but never appear in a game) or those who only show up to preseason, they are given a small (by NFL standards) signing bonus which they players live off of during that time. Only players who are on the team roster for the regular season actually get a salary that year. See [2] which indicates that pre-season revenue goes into the "pool" of revenues out of which players get paid; but also confirms that they don't actually get directly paid for those preseason games. This source indicates that NFL players do get a $2000 per game stipend for playing in a preseason game. --Jayron32 06:02, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

It appears the NHL also pays every two weeks or so, according to this seemingly knowledgeable person. This ESPN article mentions "all 13 checks that players get this season [2005]". Clarityfiend (talk) 11:05, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

NBA players would have gotten twelve paychecks, beginning on Nov. 15, 2011, according to Sporting News, if they hadn't quarreled with ownership. Clarityfiend (talk) 02:20, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Ben Maller wrote that Joe Mauer was to get $1.92 million every two weeks during the 2011 season. Clarityfiend (talk) 02:32, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

If you divide his salary by his number of at-bats, you're liable to get very depressed. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 23:38, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Tennis Survival and Sponsorships.

I watched the Murray Djokovic semi in Australia today and thoroughly enjoyed the fantastic gladiatorial battle that saw the Joker take the winning Match Point from Murray (I live only a few miles from Murray's home in Scotland but have never met him). Well done to both players. I later looked at the prize money on offer to the winners, also-rans, semi-finalists etc., etc., and also at the career prize money won so far by the various competitors throughout the rankings and results. Djokovic to date is reported to have won around $39 Million USD whilst Murray has taken home about half that sum. But then I turned to thinking about Trainers, Coaches, Physiotherapists, Sports Psychologists, Taxes, Travel costs, Hotel costs, food, refreshments, Kit, Shoes, Racquets, Girl/Boy-friends and other supporters, and wondered about 2 things. Firstly, how much, as a percentage, of their prize money do they end up with (before any sponsorship deals); and secondly, how does a young emerging and promising young player even begin to afford all of those costs? Is it really a sport for young rich kids nowadays whose families can support them until they have really made the professional grades? Thanks. Just wondering. 62.30.176.76 (talk) 03:08, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

In Australia, once a player reaches a certain standard as a junior they can get scholarship places with several funded development organisations. Some are linked from Tennis Australia's Player Pathway page. Not sure how good the opportunities are in other places. HiLo48 (talk) 03:18, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

The Williams Sisters, Serena Williams and Venus Williams, hardly grew up rich. A combination of talent and hard work is what it takes to succeed in any sport, and one can put in that hard work in a public court as well as they can in a fancy country club. The barriers to entry in top-flight tennis are probably more social than economic; that is kids from poor backgrounds don't often have interest in playing tennis, and so numerically there are less of them working hard at getting good at it. --Jayron32 05:46, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Going further back, Evonne Goolagong's father was an itinerant sheep shearer. Clarityfiend (talk) 08:55, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

It's a valid question, and to be fair things have changed significantly since Evonne Goolagong got her start. And while the Williams weren't necessarily rich, they weren't exactly out of the ghetto, and had strong parental influence as well as a heck of a lot of ability. The reality is that we simply need to look at the list of champions in these international sports such as tennis and golf to see that most, if not all, still come from rich countries (per HiLo, if a poorer kid in Australia or the US or another rich country is good enough and driven enough, they can still possibly get either government or corporate sponsorship to help them get through); alternatively, if they come from poorer countries they tend to come from rich families in those countries who can afford to pay for them to get a start and have contacts who can help them along. Lists of gold medallists in most Olympic sports show a similar trend (with exceptions for things like the Ethiopian success in distance running, which is likely more equal because natural talent is as much or more important than access to top training facilities from an early age is for more technical sports like tennis). --jjron (talk) 13:14, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Yes, but the question still remains is if the barrier to entry for people from poor places is economic or social: That is, whether people from poor neighborhoods self-select out of playing tennis because they aren't interested/their friends don't play/they don't have parents that played, and not necessarily because they don't have enough money to be competitive. --Jayron32 13:31, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

I distinctly remember a radio interview last year with Bethanie Mattek-Sands, where she said that airfares alone (for her, sometimes her husband and trainer) cost her around $100,000 per year. Dalliance (talk) 13:28, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

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Hunt For I-5 Killer(film) Did anyone see the movie called Hunt For I-5 Killer? I was unable to understand some of the events in the movie. In the movie, the killer/suspect asked or commanded the police to get a search warrant & the killer/suspect went back to his house. Is someone able to answer my following question(s)? For example, the Suspect & Police Officer are in front of the Suspect's house. If a Suspect asks the Police Officer to get a Search Warrant for the Supect's house, then does the Police have a right to order the Suspect to wait outside of the Suspect's House? While the Suspect's waiting for a Search Warrant, the Suspect might burn Evidence. (76.20.90.53 (talk) 07:44, 28 January 2012 (UTC)).

Where are all the deleted scenes for Ferris Bueller's Day Off?

I seem to have a hard time finding them on YouTube.

If you can't find links to deleted scenes, would you please describe each of them?

Dad confronting Cameron for trashed Ferrari

I need to know why the part where Cameron is confronted for the trashed Ferrari, was cut. It would have been one of the scenes most looked forward to.

Moreover, please post the deleted scene involving Cameron's dad. Thanks. --70.179.174.101 (talk) 08:45, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

You are more likely to get an informed response by posting at Talk: Ferris Bueller's Day Off.--Wehwalt (talk) 11:18, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

I'm very sorry sir, but is it as well-visited as RD/E? I can't rely on that talk page producing a timely response. Moreover, WP:NOT#messageboard. I can only post suggestions for improving the article. General questions, like what I submitted earlier, either go to messageboards, Q&A sites, or the RD, which in itself is a Q&A subsite. --70.179.174.101 (talk) 11:33, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

I doubt if anyone will shoot you for asking; IPs are usually inexperienced editors and little is expected of them. You may get a little sarcasm, but as that page, while yes, less visited, is more likely to attract editors familiar with the movie, you may also get an answer. I trust you've checked IMDB?--Wehwalt (talk) 11:51, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Not to fob you off, but I personally think you're unlikely to get the answer you want anywhere on WP. It's unlikely (but not impossible I suppose) that anyone is going to describe all the deleted scenes for you, especially if it's not already in the article (list them maybe, but describe them?). And you won't get the deleted scene you requested posted on Wikipedia; per Wikipedia's following of copyright laws, posting it would almost certainly be a Wikipedia:Copyright violations (someone correct me if I'm wrong). Perhaps someone does know why that scene was deleted though. Is it not possible for you to hire or buy the DVD containing said deleted scenes and hopefully a director's commentary if you are such an aficionado of the movie? --jjron (talk) 12:51, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Is there really a scene of Cameron confronting his father? That would seem to defeat the purpose of the earlier scene where he trashes the car. The movie's not about Cameron. Adam Bishop (talk) 14:07, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Agreed. The movie isn't about Cameron. And in the scene that you're referring to, Ferris offers to take the heat for trashing the car. Cameron refuses his help though and says that he's going to stand up to his father. The scene isn't needed for the film. The viewer is left with the idea that Cameron has changed and become more assertive. Any conversation with his father would just be redundant. Dismas|^(talk) 09:15, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Born to Die

I notice that album was released yesterday on a Friday. New album releases are usually on a Tuesday. What gives with this particular record? 70.29.250.165 (talk) 09:50, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

I personally do not know. I would advise asking on the album or performer's talk page, or on a fan board page. They'll know why.--Wehwalt (talk) 11:17, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

In the USA they release albums on Tuesdays (possible explanation) in the U.K. and France release dates are Mondays, in Germany it's Friday. Von Restorff (talk) 08:44, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Nowadays, when a record is released in the U.S. on any day other than Tuesday, it usually means the music was released early, after being leaked on the internet. Joefromrandb (talk) 01:03, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Identifying band members

Girl's Generation

Could anyone help in the labelling / identifying of the members of Girl's Generation in this picture? Based on this, I think the second from the left is Jessica and the last is Seo Joo-hyun, but I certainly wouldn't but a large amount of money on that. Identification is necessary for a featured picture nomination. Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:38, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

I advise asking on their facebook page. I am sure they have ardent fans.--Wehwalt (talk) 13:07, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

• I'll try that as well, but I'd rather do it from the anonymity of Wikipedia. Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:18, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Try googling [girl's generation members]. I saw a photo immediately that appeared to identify the individuals in separate headshots. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 06:16, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

[3] [4] Von Restorff (talk) 08:32, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

• I've added some identification, but I'd love for another editor to see if they agree. I used all three links from this section. Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:30, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

• I wonder if you realize how close you're coming to regurgitating an antique racial slur. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 01:15, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

• Err what do you mean? That he is implying that they look alike because he has difficulty distinguishing them? There's nothing wrong with that. To Asian people Westerners also look alike (at least that is what I heard from a former Chinese co-worker). S_peakF_ree ^(talk)_(contribs) 18:18, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Is that Genghis Khan movie ever happening?

Ever since 'Mongol' came out in 2007, Sergei Bodrov has been talking about making a sequel, entitled 'The Great Khan' or 'Genghis Khan' depending on where you look. Since then, there's been almost no further news about it, and most places that mention it just reference news stories from years ago; the Wikipedia article cites a reference from 2008. It was apparently originally supposed to come out in 2010, and then that year came and went. The most recent mention I can find is from a February 2010 article at twitchfilm.com which says that filming would begin in 2011, which evidently didn't happen either. What bugs me isn't so much that the movie hasn't yet been made, but that almost nobody has said anything about it *at all*. At this point I would welcome any news-- either of a concrete release date, or an announcement that the project is cancelled or is on hold, or ANYTHING. Otherwise, this film looks like it's headed down the same road as that Vin Diesel movie about Hannibal Barca, which was announced in 2001/2002 and has since been in a perpetual state of "in development". Cevlakohn (talk) 13:32, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, I'm afraid you just have to be patient. Von Restorff (talk) 09:03, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

See Development Hell. Britmax (talk) 10:18, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

2007? I can beat that. In the early 1970s it was announced that a biopic was being made about Sergei Rachmaninoff, probably timed to coincide with his centenary in 1973. It was to star the Bulgarian pianist Alexis Weissenberg, who had the double advantage of not only being a fantastic pianist himself but also he happened to look a lot like Rachmaninoff. Well, I've been patiently waiting all these years for the film to appear. And now, it ain't never gonna happen, at least not with Alexis Weissenberg, because he upped and died on us recently. It was probably canned a short time after it was announced but, just like the Khan movie, there was total silence about it. Sometimes they just change their minds, choose to say nothing publicly about it, and move on to other projects. -- Jack of Oz ^{[your turn]} 10:23, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Making a film about Ghengis Khan can be hairy. The 1956 film The Conqueror, starring John Wayne as Ghengis Khan (!) was shot in a desert in Utah 137 miles downwind from the Nevada Test Site where above-ground nuclear weapons testing took place during the time of filming. 91 of the 220 cast and crew developed cancer and 46 of them had died of the disease by the early '80s including Wayne, female lead Susan Hayward and director Dick Powell. S_peakF_ree ^(talk)_(contribs) 18:02, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

William Mastrosimone

I just wanted to add to William's biography. The bio does not mention that he wrote the screenplay for the excellent movie " With Honors " (1994), starring Brendan Fraser and Joe Pesci. The movie was more than just a comedy; it had a much deeper meaning. Namely, we never really know a person's motivations unless we know the whole truth about that person. With Honors was a brilliant piece of writing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.190.216.137 (talk) 22:44, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

It's true. IMDb says so. You can add it to the article yourself or hope that a kindly editor does it for you. I hope User:Tango doesn't mind me copying over his message from the Humanities Desk...

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