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NRIS information issues identifies possible errors and other issues in the National Register Information System (NRIS) database. This is a working page to detail information system glitches, factual inconsistencies, and potential factual errors in official information regarding properties and districts listed on the National Register of Historic Places of the United States. It is hoped that this recording may facilitate discussion, correspondence with the National Park Service/National Register, and corrections.

Please do not include here what appear to be errors at nationalregisterofhistoricplaces.com — that site contains many errors, especially in its consistently yielding area figures for historic districts that are ten times the actual size. This is the result of that website misinterpreting the data from the NRIS.

Types of issues

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Discrepances between NRIS database as downloaded vs. "Weekly Listings" announcements

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  • For example, for James H. Bounds Barn, in Marshall County, Oklahoma, the only item covering it in NRIS2013a version, as reported in NRHP infobox generator (by checking off "may not actually be listed" checkbox), which actually is supposted to cover up to September 30, 2014 afaik, is just an "DR" entry, which i think means some documentation is received, and it reflects the assignment of a reference number. It does NOT include the actual listing in December 2013 as reported in the Weekly Listings announcment ( "Weekly listings". National Park Service. December 27, 2013. ) and reported in the Featured listing announcement for this site ( "James H. Bounds Barn". Retrieved October 1, 2019. ). This later listing does use the same reference number. I think the NRIS2013a database somehow has just the initial, "DR" event. Do later versions of NRIS have both or does the actual listing replace the "DR" event?
  • In Wikipedia, the National Register of Historic Places listings in Marshall County, Oklahoma page was updated by User:Ebyabe and User:Ipoellet to reflect the December 2013 announcements (and even to add coordinates based on consulting the NRHP registration document and using Google satellite view, I assume). I am afraid there is a discrepancy now between what Wikipedia shows (including this item) vs. what NRIS might show (not including it). --Doncram (talk) 21:49, 1 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Changes implemented into NRIS directly, adjusting previous items, not reflected in any "Weekly Listings" announcement

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There are several known instances of National Park Service making "corrections" by simply adjusting NRIS, but not reporting on that change by including it into a new Weekly announcement list, confound Wikipedia's coverage, which follows the weekly announcements. Some of these have been covered in wt:NRHP discussion previously. --Doncram (talk) 21:49, 1 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Demolished properties apparently still listed

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In many cases a building remains listed on the National Register even though the building was completely demolished. There may be a few cases where the National Register gives a street address where there is no building, while in fact the building still exists. It could be the wrong address, or in rare cases the historic building may have been moved to a different location, as happened for one case in Pasadena, California. doncram (talk) 20:30, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

In 2022, starting Category:Demolished but still listed on the National Register of Historic Places. If a building has been demolished but there has been no status change reported in weekly listings by the National Park Service, then let's categorize these. There are so many. They should also receive categories Category:Demolished buildings and structures in STATE and Category:Buildings and structures demolished in YEAR, as for Rose Building (Fairbanks, Alaska), for example. --Doncram (talk) 12:47, 8 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Listing and delisting dates

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The NRIS is an authoritative source on NRHP listing dates, but even in this topic there are issues: this discussion "Shortest time on Register" at wt:NRHP details a good number of listings for January 1, 19XX of various years that really apparently mean "some unknown date in the year 19XX". --doncram 18:11, 6 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Misc and unsorted towns issues

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Actually, let's detail those, please. Detailing in progress.... doncram (talk) 20:26, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure how to further research and/or submit this one. doncram (talk) 20:48, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Coordinates corrections

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NOTE: COORDINATES CORRECTIONS probably are not worth noting here. See discussion at #Connecticut: coordinates

Correspondence with the National Register

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  • The National Register has previously corrected NRIS or related webpages in response to error reports on other occasions. For example, an incorrect URL in the current Weekly Listings National Register's "Weekly Featured Listing" , at http://www.nps.gov/history/nr/nrlist.htm, was fixed today, on Wednesday September 3. Or at least it was fixed, and I received an email reporting it today. This was in response to a report I sent in during the weekend (and Monday was a holiday too). doncram (talk) 18:02, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Also, the National Park Service has corrected other information, such as an incorrect address for a building in Syracuse, apparently reported after a photo of the building at that address was posted in wikipedia. And it addressed a mis-identification of the wrong building in New York City (Florence Mills House) as a National Historic Landmark, by de-designating the building and removing it from the National Register on January 16, 2009.
The NR_RT reports has reviewed those 20, has submitted fixes to be input into NRIS for 19 of them. I note which those are, below. While the changes will be input into NRIS shortly, the NRIS database is only republished a few times per year, so it is not yet known when the fixes will be apparent on-line. They prefer to get error reports batched by state, to facilitate checking with the state in cases needing that. I'll submit more batches by state. doncram (talk) 00:03, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I've now submitted six batches
  • batch01: 20 name issues
  • batch02: 45 coordinates issues
  • batch03: 73 name issues
  • batch04: 29 town issues
  • batch05: 19 county issues
  • batch06: 26 street address issues
I think that totals to 214 items reported. doncram (talk) 21:42, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Update, April 27, 2009: The National Register has verified 66 corrections needed, based on our reports, and is implementing those. Further corrections being researched. Their internal Word document covering the 66 is in tabular format, with column headings "State", "RefNo", "Property name", "Typo", "Correction", and another column for their use. It would probably be most helpful if we presented new batches in that tabular format. doncram (talk) 19:38, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Update: on September 3, I received an update that they are addressing batch04 now, and hope to do another batch before the end of this month. It is slow going, but I believe they appreciate our efforts to identify corrections and will eventually respond to all that we submit. doncram (talk) 00:03, 7 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Reports organized by state

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Alabama

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Main page: Wikipedia:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places/NRIS information issues/Alabama

Alaska

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Alaska: reference numbers and documents

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Alaska: property names

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Need to change from Theolokos to Theotokos. The need for correction is further clarified by the National Register of Historic Places Inventory/Nomination: Russian Orthodox Church Buildings and Sites Thematic Resources document and the Nativity of Holy Theotokos Church (AHRS SITE NO. AFG-080) (continuation sheets from Thematic Resources document). --doncram 14:32, 5 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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These must be the following 9 sites. doncram (talk) 02:58, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Alaska: street address issues

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Alaska: demolished but still listed

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  • Rose Building (Fairbanks, Alaska), NRHP-listed in 1992, reported by editor RadioKAOS to have been demolished, and that the address no longer exists even due to moving of another road. Source cited about the demolition: "Historic Rose building disappears from corner" was published in the Fairbanks Daily News-Miner on September 13, 1998 on page B1. --doncram 22:03, 3 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Alaska: misclassified

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Arizona

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Main page: Wikipedia:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places/NRIS information issues/Arizona

Arkansas

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Main page: Wikipedia:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places/NRIS information issues/Arkansas

California

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Main page: Wikipedia:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places/NRIS information issues/California

Colorado

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Main page: Wikipedia:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places/NRIS information issues/Colorado

Connecticut

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Main page: Wikipedia:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places/NRIS information issues/Connecticut

Delaware

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Delaware: missing listing

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Delaware: property names

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Delaware: address issues

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Delaware: county location issues

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Delaware: architect, builder, engineer issues

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Albert Ely Ives and "DeArmond, Asmead and Bickley". The latter is correctly named DeArmond, Ashmead and Bickley, with correct "Ashmead" rather than "Asmead". The NRIS entry is based on typo in the NRHP nomination document (https://npgallery.nps.gov/NRHP/GetAsset/NRHP/98001098_text) that gives incorrect spelling in one place but gives correct spelling elsewhere. Correct spelling confirmed by sources of the wikipedia article on the architectural firm. --doncram 03:52, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Florida

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Florida: county names

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Entries with "Dade" as county name, are now in "Miami-Dade" county. So a county name code needs to be changed.

Florida: property names

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Florida: demolished but still listed

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Florida: address issues

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Georgia

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Main page: Wikipedia:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places/NRIS information issues/Georgia

Hawaii

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Main page: Wikipedia:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places/NRIS information issues/Hawaii

Idaho

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Idaho: property names

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Idaho: address restriction

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Idaho: addresses

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Idaho: dates

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Idaho: demolished but still listed

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  • Priestly's Hydraulic Ram, refnum 75000631, in Idaho. As explained in its article, this apparently no longer exists:

    Idaho Power Company senior archaeologist Shane Baker said: "It may have been taken apart and salvaged for parts. Or moved somewhere else, or perhaps abandoned in place. To my knowledge, no one has ever found any remnants of the facility. The exact location for the ram is unknown, and it may be possible that the first hydroelectric plant built at Thousand Springs in 1912 may have been built over top of the location of the old ram." ( Virginia Hutchins; Tetona Dunlap (June 26, 2016). "Expert's guide to the Hagerman reach: part 1". MagicValley.Com. )

Map all coordinates using OpenStreetMap

Download coordinates as:

Also, it's exact original location is not known, though it was pretty surely in the area of Thousand Springs State Park. So somewhere around 42°44′35″N 114°50′28″W / 42.743°N 114.841°W / 42.743; -114.841 (Estimated location of Priestly's Hydraulic Ram), as informedly estimated by User:MB. However the coordinates that were in NRIS2013a version are really far off, like 30 miles off to the east: 42°44′40″N 114°15′25″W / 42.74444°N 114.25694°W / 42.74444; -114.25694 ("NRIS2013a"-reported (incorrect) location of Priestly's Hydraulic Ram).
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Idaho: county location issues

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Idaho: architect, builder, engineer issues

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  1. Cold Springs Pegram Truss Railroad Bridge, Over the Big Wood R. 0.5 mi. S of jct. of US 93 abd ID 367 Ketchum, ID Pregram. George H.
  2. Conant Creek Pegram Truss Railroad Bridge, Over the Conant Creek. 1 mi. S of jct. of Squirrel Rd. and Old Ashton-Victor RR spur tracks Grainville, ID Pregram. George H.
  3. Gimlet Pegram Truss Railroad Bridge, Over the Big Wood R. 0.5 mi. S of jct. of US 93 and E. Fork Wood River Rd. Ketchum, ID Pregram. George H.
  4. Grace Pegram Truss Railroad Bridge, Over the Bear R. 0.5 mi. NNW of jct. of ID 34 and Turner Rd. Grace, ID Pregram. George H.
  5. Ririe A Pegram Truss Railroad Bridge, Over the Snake R. 1 mi. NNE of jct. of Heise Rd. and East Belt Branch RR tracks Ririe, ID Pregram. George H.
  6. Ririe B Pegram Truss Railroad Bridge, Over the Snake R. flood channel, 0.5 mi. NNE of jct. of Heise Rd. and East Belt Branch RR tracks Ririe, ID Pregram. George H.
  7. St. Anthony Pegram Truss Railroad Bridge, Over Henry's Fork. 0.5 mi. S of jct. of S. Parker Rd. and West Belt Branch RR tracks St. Anthony, ID Pregram. George H.
but spelled with "Shreve" in
The "Shreeve" may possibly be Sullivan Arthur Shreeve, credited also with Mountain View Auto Court, 563 W. Twenty-fourth St. Ogden, UT: Shreeve,Sullivan Arthur. --doncram 14:29, 23 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
There are more usages of Nisbet than Nesbit in NRIS2013a, and the usage of "Nesbit" in NRHP documents can be understood as accidental, where the nominator did not have familiarity with the architect. For example the Kimberly High School NRHP document is a case where the name is given once only in the "architect/builder" field in section 8, and not used otherwise; the NRHP document author did not show (and did not need to show) familiarity with this architect, so easily could get the spelling wrong. And same for the NRHP document for Sterry Hall. On the other hand, the NRHP document for Payettes Lakes Club, which provides biographical information and career overview for the person, consistently uses name "Nisbet" 11 times. "Nisbet" is used in at least 6 NRHP listings, including for example, NRHP document for Harrison Boulevard Historic District where it is used twice. It is clear to me that "Nisbet" is the correct spelling. --Doncram (talk) 00:27, 15 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Idaho: architectural style

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Illinois

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Illinois: listing status

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Illinois: property names

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Illinois: demolished but still listed

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  • "The Stephenson County Courthouse that was listed on the NRHP isn't standing any longer, in fact it was replaced decades ago. The Register just missed it, Illinois' IHPA, the state preservation office, does not list it in its NRHP properties for Stephenson County....I can provide links above if needed but the photographic evidence compiled at Category:Soldiers' Monument (Freeport, Illinois) shows the location of the old courthouse and illustrates that it is no longer there. The current courthouse was built in the mid-1970s and per NRHP rules would be ineligible for listing, so there's no chance that is the building the NPS listing is referring to. The old courthouse was quite beautiful, I have seen photos, but it is, alas, gone forever." --Noted by IvoShandor at Talk:National Register of Historic Places listings in Stephenson County, Illinois (exerpt of IvoShandor's comments copied here by doncram)
  • Chris Jensen Round Barn: "In addition, I am almost 100% positive the Chris Jensen Round Barn is no longer standing. If it is it is NOT at the location the NRHP lists. I used the location map included with the nomination materials in my search for it. I found every single other listed round barn in Stephenson County but could not find the Jensen Round Barn. There's a chance it's overgrown, or part of it is standing in its location. If anyone has any information to confirm my first-hand (original) research please note it here. For now I am going to leave it listed. The IHPA informed me that they are trying to alleviate some of the problems in the HAARGIS database which lists on the NRHP properties with links to their nomination materials, so maybe when those changes go online the updated list will reflect its loss. If it was delisted, the NPS would have documentation of that somewhere.--IvoShandor (talk) 07:17, 24 July 2009 (UTC)" --Noted by IvoShandor at Talk:National Register of Historic Places listings in Stephenson County, Illinois (exerpt of IvoShandor's comments copied here by doncram)[reply]
  • Jewel Tea Company Building in Barrington, Lake County was torn down in Feb. 2005 according to a local newspaper article online (actually it said the entire facade was torn down, and that demolition continues, despite last minute efforts...) I visited the site today and will get photos of the empty lot. Smallbones (talk) 20:56, 29 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Illinois: address issues

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  • In Lake County, Lloyd Lewis House was shown in the Wikipedia NRHP list for Lake County (and therefore presumably is listed by NRIS) at "153 Little Street Mary". The correct street name (shown on Google Maps, among other sources) is "Little St. Mary's Road". "St." does not always equal "Street" in an address. I changed it. Jameslwoodward (talk) 11:35, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Illinois: county location issues

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Illinois: architect, builder, engineer issues

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Indiana

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Main page: Wikipedia:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places/NRIS information issues/Indiana

Iowa

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Main page: Wikipedia:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places/NRIS information issues/Iowa

Kansas

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Kansas: property names

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submitted in batch01:15, reported by NRHP_RT to be fixing in NRIS as of 3/4/2009. doncram (talk) 23:23, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
submitted in batch01:16, reported by NRHP_RT to be fixing in NRIS as of 3/4/2009. doncram (talk) 23:23, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Kansas: demolished but still listed

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Kansas: town location issue

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Kansas: street address

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Kansas: existing property, once listed, but no longer appearing in NRIS

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Kansas: architect/builder issues

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Kansas: other issues

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Kentucky

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demolished but still listed

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As currently stated in Adam Pence House article: By 2022, the house appears to have been demolished. Bing Maps aerial view shows the house, recognizable by its outline compared to sketch map in the NRHP document, labelled as 5310 Kentucky Highway 1247, at 37°28′10″N 84°37′57″W / 37.469516°N 84.632603°W / 37.469516; -84.632603 (5310 Kentucky Highway 1247). This is close to the coordinates (37°28′06″N 84°38′01″W / 37.46833°N 84.63361°W / 37.46833; -84.63361 (NRIS 2013 reported location of Adam Spence House)) provided with NRIS 2013 data, within usual variance of such vs. modern GPS mapping (by judgment of Wikipedia editors of NRHP articles). However Google Maps satellite view shows ruins at that site. (Bing Maps imagery, undated, and Google Maps imagery, undated, both copyrighted 2022, consulted May 19, 2022.) --Doncram (talk) 17:52, 19 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It was demolished in 2019: Jared Goffinet (July 24, 2019). "Demolition on old Henderson school continues". 14News WFIE. Includes 56 second film clip, showing demolition, with most of front facade shown around 15 second mark. --Doncram (talk) 04:49, 16 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Kentucky: property names

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submitted in batch01:18. NRHP_RT reports that apparently the length of the property name is more than the NRIS system handles properly, so this may not be fixed, 3/4/2009. doncram (talk) 23:23, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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  • The full name of the racetrack Keeneland is not "Keeeneland--Keeneland Racetrack". From looking at the nom formhttps://npgallery.nps.gov/NRHP/GetAsset/NHLS/86003487_text, it appears the form was filled out incorrectly by putting the "common" name on the same line as the "historic" name. ​​​​​​​​Niagara ​​Don't give up the ship 00:12, 2 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Kentucky: community name issues

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Kentucky: built/significance date issues

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Kentucky: county location issue

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Kentucky: location issues

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  • Louisville Municipal Bridge, Pylons and Administration Building, Spans Ohio River between Louisville, KY and Jeffersonville, IN: Listed in the NRIS database as in Louisville, KY (Jefferson County) and Clark County, KY. It should be Clark County, IN which is on the other side of the Ohio River from Louisville. Clark County, KY is about 100 miles to the east. --sanfranman59 (talk) 03:42, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Kentucky: address restricted unnecessarily, doc should be made available

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Kentucky: address issues

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Kentucky:architects and builders

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Louisiana

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Main page: Wikipedia:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places/NRIS information issues/Louisiana

Maine

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Main page: Wikipedia:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places/NRIS information issues/Maine

Maryland

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Maryland: property names

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Maryland: demolished but still listed

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Maryland: county location issue

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Maryland: town location issues

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Massachusetts

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Main page: Wikipedia:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places/NRIS information issues/Massachusetts

Michigan

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Main page: Wikipedia:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places/NRIS information issues/Michigan

Minnesota

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Main page: Wikipedia:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places/NRIS information issues/Minnesota

Mississippi

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Main page: Wikipedia:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places/NRIS information issues/Mississippi

Missouri

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Main page: Wikipedia:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places/NRIS information issues/Missouri

Montana

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Montana: demolished but still listed

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Montana listings missing?

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Montana: property names

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Montana: town location issue

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Montana: listed area

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Montana: architecture

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The Hester E. Suydam Boarding House, at 209 W. River St. in Fromberg, Montana, built in 1907 is recorded in NRIS as having architecture: Four Square. That is consistent with a note in its registration document, but the building does not appear to be American Four Square at all. It is not square. It does not have four-way or any type of symmetry. It does have dormer windows, which is common in the style, but it has two on one side and one on another, as can be seen in nomination photos. The text of the document does not mention "Four Square", it only appears as a database-type entry for "Architectural Classification" as "Other: One-and-one-half story Four Square" (which appears to be wrong). Also the text description calls it a two-story building with a one-and-a-half-story extension, also inconsistent there. So, the Wikipedia article now carries no mention of "Four Square"; it should be dropped from NRIS. --Doncram (talk) 20:17, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Nebraska

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Nebraska: demolished but still listed

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Nebraska: property names

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  • For the Miller Hotel in Brown County, Nebraska, the list of other names includes "Luerhs Rooming House". This should almost certainly be "Luehrs": see photo. A Google search suggests that the name "Luehrs" occurs in the Long Pine, Nebraska area; "Luerhs" apparently does not.

Nebraska: address issues

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Nebraska: architects, builders, engineers issues

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Further, looking now at the MPS document by Carol Ahlgren, it is completely clear that Bunn did not have association with Red Cloud post office. And Ahlgren was author of each of the individual post office nomination documents I think, and she authored the MPS document about the group, so it seems certain she or her typist just made an error in document preparation for the Red Cloud one. The MPS is:

Carol Ahlgren (August 1991). "National Register of Historic Places: Nebraska Post Offices Which Contain Section Artwork (1938-42) MPS" (PDF). Retrieved May 7, 2019.. --Doncram (talk) 22:14, 7 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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  • The date of construction for Webster County Courthouse (Nebraska) is given as 1883. The nominating form lists two significant dates: 1914, the year of construction of the courthouse itself; and 1887, the year of construction of the jail and jailer's residence. The latter date on the nominating form, which I obtained from the Nebraska State Historical Society, was apparently typed with a different typewriter; it's possible that the form as originally submitted to the NHS bore the mistaken date 1883, which was subsequently whited out and corrected. Ammodramus (talk) 14:50, 8 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Nebraska: architecture

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Nebraska: existing property, once listed, but no longer appearing in NRIS

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Nebraska: document availability issues

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References

  1. ^ "National Register of Historic Places Inventory/Nomination: Kearney National Guard Armory". National Park Service. Retrieved October 25, 2022. With accompanying pictures
Maybe this is not a problem if NARA has a combined document. Check NARA version of document. --Doncram (talk) 16:01, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Nebraska: other

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Nevada

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Nevada: listing status

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  • I am simply confused by NRIS and NRHP nom doc information about Francovich House. NRIS includes entry that it was NRHP-listed on April 25, 1983. Its NRHP inventory-nomination dated December 1983 states it was listed on the National Register of Historic Places on April 25, 1983 but was delisted later the same year, in October, upon it being moved to save it from demolition.[1] What is the deal, is it re-listed on basis of the December inventory-nomination? Or does it remain delisted? Something is wrong in the NRIS record, either way. --doncram 17:02, 25 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  1. ^ Paula Boghosian and Pat Lawrence-Dietz (December 1983). "National Register of Historic Places Inventory/Nomination: Francovich House". National Park Service. and accompanying three photos from 1982

Nevada: Demolished but still listed

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Nevada: built info

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  1. ^ Paula Boghosian and Pat Lawrence-Dietz (December 1983). "National Register of Historic Places Inventory/Nomination: Francovich House". National Park Service. and accompanying three photos from 1982

Nevada: property names

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submitted in batch01:19, reported by NRHP_RT to be fixing in NRIS as of 3/4/2009. doncram (talk) 23:23, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

NRHP nomination doc for it, from February, 1995, shows correct "Veterans" spelling. NRHP document's accompanying photos show "Veterans Memorial School". --doncram 13:28, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Nevada: architect, builder, engineer issues

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Nevada: address issues

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New Hampshire

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New Hampshire town issues

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New Hampshire address Issues

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New Jersey

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Farmer's Hall in Mount Laurel Township

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Farmer's Hall is incorrectly listed as being located in Moorestown Township. At the time Farmer's Hall was added to NRIS, Mount Laurel did not have it's own post office and got all it's mail through Moorestown. However, Farmer's Hall is actually located in Mount Laurel Township, at the foot of Mount Laurel Mountain and across the street from Evesham Friends Meeting House.

New Jersey: Property name issues

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New Jersey/New York state location issue

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This may not be any error. But, the NRIS / Elkman system indicates both:

Is one of these an error?

There's some kind of error here. According to the USGS GNIS database, there is no Waldwick, NY. Both listings are coded as "listed" in the raw NPS NRIS database and they have different reference numbers. But both have the same address and are identified as being part of the "Stone Houses of Bergen County TR" multiple listing (Waldwick, NJ is in Bergen County). Perhaps there's an Albert Smith House listed on the NRHP somewhere in New York, but it seems doubtful since the New York Historic Preservation Office doesn't seem to have a record of it. --sanfranman59 (talk) 03:03, 6 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I think someone got confused between Waldwick and Warwick, New York. Daniel Case (talk) 16:14, 19 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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New Jersey: street address issues

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Date issues

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Historic District issues

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New Mexico

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New Mexico: NRHP announcements

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This is hard-won information. Thank you User:25or6to4, User:Halmueller, User:Ntsimp for sorting out at wt:NRHP (see this version of August 21, 2019).

How many other discrepancies between our lists, diligently developed using NRIS as of 2011 or so, plus Weekly List announcements, vs. actual listings, might exist? There have been a few others at least. The Weekly lists have sometimes been edited later, without notice, too, which seems wrong, because any fix should be announced in a new Weekly list, and we figured out we missed a few that got done that way, but others we might never have noticed. --Doncram (talk) 00:15, 28 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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A number of places listed in July and December 1990, including houses and the Mora Historic District, within National Register of Historic Places listings in Mora County, New Mexico seem to have been inappropriately identified as "Address restricted", so NRHP docs are not available for them. Note the Mora Historic District includes NRHP-listed St. Vrain Mill among a total of 70 contributing buildings on 41 acres. Some of these covered by Historic and Architectural Resources of the Upland Valleys MPS, which shows some redactions (probably unnecessary). How is the village of Mora supposed to proceed with its development, discussed in that MPS, if it is secret what properties are covered in NRHP and may be eligible for historic renovation grants? These are not archeological dig sites! I went ahead sometime to create Daniel Cassidy House, about a hipped cottage, with skimpy sources. The NRHP docs are not available, but should be. I just spot-checked for whether docs are available at NP Gallery search site, find there has been no change, they are not available. The ones that appear wrongly classified are:

Perhaps there are more. Note from the MPS: "The repository for all of the inventory materials is the Historic Preservation Division of the New Mexico Office of Cultural Affairs in Santa Fe, New Mexico." --Doncram (talk) 04:59, 10 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

In National Register of Historic Places listings in Lincoln County, New Mexico, why would should there be address restriction for Luis A. and Susan B. Jimenez House and Studios, in or near Hondo, listed December 10, 2014 (#14001016)?

In National Register of Historic Places listings in Guadalupe County, New Mexico, why should three historic districts be address restricted?

Like, I presume that the historic area of Anton Chico is publicly known, though presumably not the exact borders of the historic district because of the withholding of information by the restriction, but doesn't that defeat the purpose of historic designation? --Doncram (talk) 17:44, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Photos miss-filed under Utah's Great Basin Research Station Historic District's reference number, accompanying three photos from 1993 are photos, instead, of Rock Island Depot in Grandfield, Oklahoma. Expected location for photos to accompany the Rock Island Depot's nomination has no file. --Doncram (talk) 14:48, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Further, the "de" rather than "di" spelling is used in "Properties of Puerto Rico included in the National Register" from the office of the Governor of Puerto Rico. (Thanks User:Jmundo!) doncram (talk) 08:05, 11 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
"Properties of Puerto Rico included in the National Register" shows "de" rather than "di" here, too. doncram (talk) 08:05, 11 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Panteon Otero-Martinez is listed in NRIS as "Pauteon Otero-Martinez", while the correct word is Panteon. Typo: Pauteon; Correction: Panteon, in name of property. The more fully correct spelling, shown in "Properties of Puerto Rico included in the National Register", is "Panteón" (the Spanish word for mausoleum), but i understand the NRIS system would not accommodate the accent on the O. Issue noted by User:Jmundo. doncram (talk) 08:05, 11 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Arenas Bridge. It is stated by the National Park Service in a travel itinerary webpage that the bridge is still in use, at the bottom, here. However, Matthiasb points out this sat-image at Google indicates a newer bridge on the east for the modern traffic. Hmm, yes, that image is pretty convincing. Looks like cars are parked in the approach to the historic bridge, too. Thanks Matthiasb. doncram (talk) 18:06, 26 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Chester Historic District (Boundary Increase) is listed as being "Roughly bounded by Hemphill Ave., Brawley, Saluda, and FooteSts. and along Reedy St." — need to add a space in the middle of "FooteSts." to convert it to "Foote Sts." Nyttend (talk) 15:49, 7 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • The alternate name for the Reedy River Falls Historic Park and Greenway (Boundary Increase) is given as "See A1so:Reedy River Falls Historic Park and Greenway" — "Also" is spelled with the numeral "1", rather than the letter "L". Nyttend (talk) 15:55, 7 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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**SOUTH CAROLINA, CALHOUN COUNTY, **Lindsay Cemetery, **Lindsay Cemetery Rd., **Due West vicinity, 09000364, **LISTED, 5/27/09

It has already been added to National Register of Historic Places listings in Calhoun County, South Carolina. Unfortunately, it's in Abbeville County, South Carolina, not Calhoun. They're not even close to each other. See Abbeville County Cemetery Project]. Also Google Lindsay Cemetery Rd, Due West, SC, produces this See also this article on Jimmy Carter visiting Due West to see his Carter ancestor's graves in Lindsay Cemetery. clariosophic (talk) 08:38, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have moved it from the Calhoun table to the Abbeville table. clariosophic (talk) 21:01, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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  • One among three more church properties nationwide mispelled with "Epicopal" in the name, where it should be as "Episcopal":
  1. St. Mary's Epicopal Church (Flandreau, South Dakota)

doncram (talk) 13:27, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

submitted in batch01:5-7, reported by NRHP_RT to be fixing in NRIS as of 3/4/2009. doncram (talk) 23:23, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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The Weekly listing at http://www.nps.gov/history/nr/listings/20090306.HTM includes: 

SOUTH DAKOTA, CUSTER COUNTY,
Hermosa Masonic Lodge,
W. side of 2nd St., between Folsom St. and Hwy 40,
Hermosa,  09000043,
LISTED, 2/17/09

Hmm, perhaps the March publication date means it was not included in latest available download. Others in same batch do not appear either.

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There seems to be complete confusion about prominent Sioux Falls architect Joseph Schwarz or Joseph Schwartz (architect), currently the same wikipedia article.

NRIS gives:

Joseph Schwartz
  1. Carnegie Free Public Library, built 1903, 235 W. 10th St., Sioux Falls, SD (Schwartz,Joseph), NRHP-listed
  2. First Methodist Church, 302 S. Carroll St., Rock Rapids, IA (Schwartz,Joseph), NRHP-listed
  3. Holy Rosary Church, Minnesota Ave., Kranzburg, SD (Schwartz,Joseph), NRHP-listed
  4. Immaculate Conception Catholic Church and Rectory, 102 and 108 E 9th St., St. Helena, NE (Schwartz, Josef), NRHP-listed
  5. Lyon County Courthouse, 3rd and Story Sts., Rock Rapids, IA (Schwartz,Joseph), NRHP-listed
  6. Pipestone Public Library, 3rd St., SE and S. Hiawatha Ave., Pipestone, MN (Schwartz,Joseph), NRHP-listed
  7. Saints Peter and Paul Catholic Church Complex, 106 W. 889th Rd., Bow Valley, NE (Schwartz, Josef), NRHP-listed
  8. St. Mary's Church, School and Convent, U.S. 212, Zell, SD (Schwartz,Joseph), NRHP-listed
  9. Washington High School, 315 S. Main, Sioux Falls, SD (Schwartz,Joseph), NRHP-listed
Joseph Schwarz
  1. One or more works in Augustana College Historic Buildings, 29th and S. Summit Sts., Sioux Falls, SD (Schwarz,Joseph), NRHP-listed
  2. Carpenter Hotel, 221 S. Phillips Ave., Sioux Falls, SD (Schwarz,Joseph), NRHP-listed
  3. Central Fire Station, 100 S. Minnesota Ave., Sioux Falls, SD (Schwarz,Joseph), NRHP-listed
  4. First Congregational Church, 303 S. Dakota Ave., Sioux Falls, SD (Schwarz,Joseph), NRHP-listed
  5. Jorden Hall, 1101 W. 22nd St., Sioux Falls, SD (Schwarz, Joseph), NRHP-listed
  6. Madison Masonic Temple, 229 N. Egan Ave., Madison, SD (Schwarz,Joseph,Sr.), NRHP-listed
  7. Moody County Courthouse, Pipestone Ave. between Crescent and Wind Sts., Flandreau, SD (Schwarz,Joseph), NRHP-listed
  8. Vermillion-Andrew Carnegie Library, 12 Church St., Vermillion, SD (Schwarz,Joseph), NRHP-listed

I currently think the correct spelling is Schwarz. --doncram 01:21, 29 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

About architect George Issenhuth, there are two NRIS errors:

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batch03:62 Sheild should be spelled Shield
Actually, it seems it may be "Sheild" after all; sources are split but more for "Sheild" apparently. VA NRHP doc uses Shield in filename but "Sheild" in text. I found a HABS document which used Shield. There are architectural/engineering type drawings in its Commons which use "Sheild". --Doncram (talk,contribs) 04:35, 4 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I had started recategorizing, some now at Commons' Category:Sessions-Pope-Shield House may need to be changed back?
I had moved Sessions-Pope-Sheild House to Sessions-Pope-Sheild House article and changed NRHP county list-article, may need to move back? Someone did move it back. Enough for me. --Doncram (talk,contribs) 20:15, 14 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • There are two sites listed in the NRIS as in "South Boston (independent city), Virginia": Reedy Creek Site and South Boston Historic District. As of 1995, South Boston's official designation changed from independent city to town. It is now part of Halifax County and has no independent government. --sanfranman59 (talk) 02:29, 25 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Emmanuel Church at Brook Hill, listed February 3, 2000, located at 1214 Wilmer Ave., in Henrico County, Virginia, is given town location in NRIS of "Henrico". That seems to be incorrectly referring to "Henrico Town", also known as Henricus, Virginia. The NRHP document for the Emmanuel Church only states that it is in Henrico County and does not state a town/village location. It may be in fact in the city of Richmond. Henrico as town location seems incorrect however. Typo: Henrico. Correction: Richmond, or Henrico County. --doncram (talk) 15:42, 7 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Per the discussion linked above, no error -- "Falls City" was the name of the lodge that met in "Fall City", thanks to a typo at Grand Lodge.--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 21:08, 22 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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The United States Supreme Court Building is designated a National Historic Landmark with name "Supreme Court Building". At NHL webpage for it], refnum 87001294 is reported. However, it does not appear in the NRIS database at all, based on searching in the Elkman system both by name and by reference number. doncram (talk) 17:00, 7 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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I went to take a picture of the Duncanson-Cranch House, located at 468-470 N St., NW, and found only a parking lot in that location. Jeffrey Beall 23:31, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Closing this one out - the house is in Southwest, not Northwest, and has been photographed. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 13:41, 16 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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  • NRIS has wrong dates of significance for four schools designed by architect Henry Wildhagen. The four were listed together, supported by Stauffer, Eugene; Barbara Wyatt; Diane Filipowicz (December 22, 1979). "Henry Wildhagen Schools of Ashland Thematic Resources". National Register of Historic Places Inventory - Nomination. National Park Service. Retrieved February 15, 2017.. The 2010 version of NRIS gave 1899 as a date of significance for some or all, while 1895 was given in a previous version of NRIS (can be seen in edit history of articles citing previous NRIS in infobox). Confusion derives from the thematic resources document noting that the four schools were built in 1895, 1899, 1900, and 1904, according to school records, without distinguishing which (page 5). However, Beaser School was 1899-built (stated on page 4). Ashland Middle School was the "finally produced" one (page 5), hence must be 1904-built. Ellis is "closest in age" to the middle school (page 4), so it must be the 1900 one. Wilmarth is noted to have been built in 1895 (page 3). So the schools and correct dates of construction are:
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  • I visited the location and it's gone. Just a hole in the ground and the sign that's in the article. The driveway goes to nothing. Here's 2 pictures: 1, 2. Too bad I can't find the photographs that I had taken before the fire. My hard drive was full in 2007 so I had to make room. Royalbroil 02:38, 18 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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There are many more like this, many for places including Sr. or Jr. as part of a person's name for whom the house is named after. doncram (talk) 20:13, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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To check what is listed in NRIS, search NRIS here. However, the NRIS user interface does not provide access to all fields or all contents of NRIS, as evidenced by Elkman finding different content (such as delisting info) in 4/2008 download.
To check what is in Elkman NRHP generator (based on NRIS download as of 4/2008), search Elkman NRHP generator here. However, it seems to be a feature of Elkman NRHP generator not to show delisted entries when search by name, but to show them when search by refnum (which you'd have to know from somewhere else).
I can't find it in NRIS, and searching on "Boston College" in Elkman NRHP generator does not find it, but searching the Elkman generator on refnum 90000109 finds it there. doncram (talk) 23:29, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I can't find it in NRIS directly, and searching on "Masonic" and "MA" in Elkman NRHP generator does not find it, but searching on refnum 86003798 finds it there. doncram (talk) 23:29, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Elkman's individual NRHP generator, working now, does not show it in searches on "Delaware" etc., but searching on refnum 88002206 finds it there. doncram (talk) 19:31, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Claremont Resort in Oakland, CA. It doesn't come out in the Elkman county table generator for Alameda County, but it was listed in the old-style NRHP list (as Claremont Hotel). It doesn't come up when searching by name with the Elkman infobox generator but it does when searching by reference number (03000427). Searching the NRIS at nps.gov for Claremont in CA returns nothing, but I found it in the new listings dated 5/30/2003. Is there a good way to find out if it's been removed for some reason? It seems to me unlikely that it was newly listed so recently and already removed. --Sanfranman59 (talk) 04:48, 16 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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There are some location issues introduced by use of the Elkman county-table generator in our "table-izing" of lists such as List of Registered Historic Places in Suffolk County, New York. For Suffolk County, the Montauk Point Lighthouse shows in the Elkman-table as being in East Hampton, because NRIS shows East Hampton as the nearest city (as is shown also in the Elkman individual NRHP infobox for it). The Elkman-table appears to use best-available location info, which in some cases is the "nearest city". I don't think there is any way to improve upon that centrally; it requires local expertise like DanTD in Suffolk provides to put in a more accurate location into the table, for a specific site. DanTD corrected the lighthouse's location to show as Montauk, New York. Montauk's wikipedia article describes it as a hamlet and a Census-designated place now; perhaps it was even less than that when the lighthouse was listed on the NRHP. I think showing East Hampton in the table, although not precisely accurate, is a better start than providing no location info if NRIS gives only a "nearest city" location. doncram (talk) 00:11, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note that any extant lighthouse has exact coordinates available either from the US Light Lists (if active) or from LighthouseFriends. Mangoe (talk) 13:39, 15 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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UPDATE: NOTE: COORDINATES CORRECTIONS probably are not worth noting here. See discussion at #Connecticut: creoordinates doncram (talk) 06:39, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There may be a number of cases where bad coordinates in the NRIS database provided via Elkman's system (which generates starter county tables and the individual NRHP infoboxes) are given, usually due to bad NRIS info, but also perhaps sometimes due to potential glitches in Elkman's merger of NRIS coordinates with other NRIS info. If there are merger errors, maybe the NRIS coordinates file is lacking sufficient detail to support proper mergers, which would be a different kind of error.

I'm submitting 45 instances of coordinates issues in a batch to the NPS, am noting code numbers for each one submitted. Will report back about corrections made and/or feedback about what is useful for NPS to receive in a report. doncram (talk) 18:52, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Slob Historic District's location is mis-identified in NRHP document and in separate NPS webpage about it (in the "Travel" webpage series?). Its coordinates are not given in NRIS2013a, which says only that it is near Christiansted (which is correct). Its refnum = 87001929. Slob Historic District was a large sugar plantation. The estate included a factory building, a water mill tower, a great house built around 1750, and a slave village. Slaves were emancipated in 1848, and the estate declined and was largely used for grazing sheep and cattle. There were riots and the plantation was burned in 1878, per "travel" webpage.
It has also been known as Estate Slob, as Body Slob, and as Slob. NRHP doc: Betty Ausherman; William Chapman; Claudette Lewis (November 10, 1984). "National Register of Historic Places Inventory/Nomination: Slob Historic District / Estate Slob; Body Slob; Slob". National Park Service. Retrieved June 3, 2019. With accompanying 26 photos from 1979-85.
Per "travel webpage ("Slob Historic District". National Park Service. ), the district includes the Great House and five slave cottages from the late 1700s and two from the early 1800s in the slave village. The slave village was the birthplace of Cyril King, the island of St. Croix's first native-born governor. The district also includes the stables and an 1840s factory building.[1]
It is located north of Centerline Rd., about 6 miles (9.7 km) west of Christiansted, on the east side of a cemetery.
About location: Both the NRHP document and the NPS webpage state, incorrectly, that the site is 6 miles west of Frederiksted. Frederiksted is on the western coast of St. Croix however and west of it is out at sea. Slob is in fact 6 miles west of Christiansted. Based on sketch map and description of location in the NRHP document, and Google maps identification of "Slob Historic District" (17°43′52″N 64°46′48″W / 17.731119°N 64.779882°W / 17.731119; -64.779882 (Location per Google Maps of "Slob Historic District")), it is located on what Google Maps terms "Route 69", which runs north from Centerline Rd. (Route 69 may or may not be U.S. Virgin Islands Highway 69 (currently a redlink) in the highways listed at List of United States Virgin Islands highways.) According to OpenSource map, that would be VI 633 (so perhaps U.S. Virgin Islands Highway 663). Adjacent, to the west , is the north end of the large Kingshill Cemetery. The estate was visible from Centerline Rd. when the NRHP document was written, but is obscured by trees by 2016. The tower is directly on Route 69, on the east side of the road, at exactly 17°43′56″N 64°46′48″W / 17.732101°N 64.779879°W / 17.732101; -64.779879 (Tower ruin) as determined by Google Streetview to match photo in the NRHP document. The windmill ruin at top of hill in the estate appears to be the structure at exactly 17°43′52″N 64°46′48″W / 17.731230°N 64.780115°W / 17.731230; -64.780115 (Windmill ruin), which is visible in Google satellite view and is visible by Google Streetview from ground level in housing complex parking lot to the north. The Great House appears to be the structure at exactly 17°43′52″N 64°46′50″W / 17.731012°N 64.780477°W / 17.731012; -64.780477 (Great House). Google satellite view copyright 2019; Google Streetview imagery captured August 2016, both accessed November 21, 2019.
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The Elkman table-generator sometimes omits rows from tables it generates. Why? For example

Cosman Family Cemetery is actually in Orange County, New York, not Onondaga County, New York. --Elkman (Elkspeak) 16:06, 14 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, and yes, I was concluding that myself, after putting the coordinates into the Onondaga County list-article and seeing where they pointed to. Have removed from the Onondaga county list-article and confirmed it's covered in Orange County's list-article. And now I can't see why it had appeared the place was in Syracuse or in Onondaga County, and hence why it was included in the Onondaga County list article. Up until earlier today did the NRHP infobox generator show it in Syracuse somehow, but now the underlying data has been changed? I do notice the NRHP.COM system shows it in neither Onondaga County nor Orange County NRHP.COM listings, so I think there is some error within the NRIS data, yet to be corrected there. doncram (talk) 20:20, 14 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Or perhaps it is listed, erroneously, by NRIS in a different county (so it could also show up in a different Elkman county list-table)? As may have been the case for Cosman Family Cemetery, discussed just above. doncram (talk) 01:52, 16 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Its listing status is "Determined eligible/Owner objection". In other words, it was nominated, but the owner objected to having it listed on the National Register. I should look into updating the infobox generator to query the listing status. --Elkman (Elkspeak) 02:38, 16 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That would be great, to get a status and extra fields of info as appropriate, for owner objection cases. Similarly: delisting cases. I also don't understand how Stepshep got the refnum and hence the infobox for Kewpee. Another owner objection one is Charles Scribner's Sons Building in New York City, which is included in New York State's database but not the Elkman county-table generator (correctly), and correspondence shows it was an owner objection. I don't know its NRHP refnum, if it has one, to generate an individual NRHP infobox for it. The template:infobox NRHP2 could be adjusted to accommodate these (to show an eligible date rather than a listed date, etc.). Also, delisted properties' infoboxes could be adjusted to show a delisting date as well as a listing date. Whether the infobox features are programmed into the individual NRHP infobox generator or not, it is crucial to get a report that at least shows this info, for manual adjustment of an infobox. I'll raise the template programming issues over in the Talk page for NRHP2, now. doncram (talk) 14:23, 16 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Owner objecton. I'll have to ask around why that was. Should be interesting for the article. Also, I caoun't find anything about objection iin my limited knowldge search of the NRIS. How did you get to that information? Thanks for the help and some really cool tools. §hep • ¡Talk to me! 22:40, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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(copied from wt:NRHP) Is there somewhere that lists or can be searched to find sites that have been delisted (other than looking through each weekly list back to 1996)? I was looking through Waseca County, MN, and noted that on the county's web site [18], they also list 3 sites not in the NRHP listings. When I look at the nationalregisterofhistoricpalces.com site, it does list the 3 sites, complete with listing numbers. Any ideas where I could find more info on these? Ref #s 82005055, 82005054, and 82000564. 25or6to4 (talk) 07:56, 25 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There is a possibility that the properties never were listed to begin with. When a nomination comes into the NPS, it is given its reference number ("refnum") for internal tracking. The nomination can be denied (the paperwork was incomplete, the justification was not strong enough, the boundaries are wrong, etc.) Note even though it was denied, it still it has its "refnum". Somehow NRHP.com picks these up and lists them. One example is Weir Canyon Archaeological District in California - it was nominated, went to the NPS and given a "refnum" and subsequently denied (the boundaries were not justified, and the author did not do enough research into the local Native Americans) yet, it is on NRHP.com! The only way to find out for sure is to contact the NPS and find out (nr_reference(at)nps.gov). Einbierbitte (talk) 16:57, 25 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(end copied from wt:NRHP)

There seem to be changes underway in Elkman's generator... searching on 82005055 gives report now noting listing status = DO, whatever that is, for Eaco Mill, in Minnesota. It should be noted that the first data problem here is that NRIS's own access system does not provide any way to get this info. Specifically, searching on Eaco in MN at NRIS, e.g. trying at this NRIS search screen yields nada. Elkman's interfaces already provide more than is possible to get directly from NRIS. doncram (talk) 18:41, 25 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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I've been asked by User:Nyttend to report some minor inconsistencies in the NHRP database I found as part of trying to determine which sites do not, or should not, have public address information.

As far as I can see from parsing PROPMAIN.DBF (which is in the DETAILS.EXE self-extracting zipfile), there are 88412 records in the database, of which 5143 contain either of the words "address" or "restricted" in their address. Most of these use the exact string "Address Restricted". However, 90 entries use some other variation of this message.

The records with address fields which contain the substrings "address" or "restricted", but not using the exact string "Address Restricted", are as follows (leading/trailing spaces have been stripped from strings): 

['REFNUM', 'RESNAME', 'ADDRESS', 'RESTRICT']

['82005042', 'Upper Shawsheen Railroad Bridge', 'Address Unknown', ""]
['80004424', 'Redbud Hollow', 'Address Unknown', ""]
['80004411', 'Campbellton', 'Address Unknown', ""]
['80004421', 'Jones Mill Run Historic District', 'Address Unknown', ""]
['80004440', "Union Bryarly's Mill", 'Address Unknown', ""]
['80004431', 'Edgewood', 'Address Unknown', ""]
['80003650', 'Kise Mill Bridge Historic District', 'Address Information Restricted.', 'X']
['84003385', 'Foley, Richard T., Site (36GR52)', 'Address Resricted', 'X']
['66000342', 'Haskell Institute', 'Address Unknown', ""]
['80001740', 'Natchitoches Historic District (Boundary Increase)', 'Address unknown at this time', ""]
['75002214', 'Galvez Town Site', 'Address not known', ""]
['75000759', 'Valley Farm Ruins', 'Restricted Address', 'X']
['80004701', 'Alexander Chapel Methodist Church', 'Address not given', ""]
['77001647', 'Paris Pike Historic District', 'No address given', ""]
['84003562', 'Woodland Mound Archeological District', 'Address Retricted', 'X']
['97000789', "Thompson's Island Site (Boundary Increase)", 'address restricted', 'X']
['97000837', 'Baltimore Mills Historic Archaeological Site', 'Address restricted', 'X']
['73000662', 'Nuuanu Petroglyph Complex', 'Restricted Address', 'X']
['82000151', 'Archeological Site (T-6 complex) 50-60-04-700', 'Address Restricted      .', 'X']
['97000911', 'Hog Island--62.23', 'Address restricted', 'X']
['97000914', 'Holmes Point', 'Address restricted', 'X']
['97000916', 'Grand Lake Stream Site', 'Address restricted', 'X']
['97000912', 'Hog Island--62.29', 'Address restricted', 'X']
['97000915', 'Maine Archaeological Survey site 21.26', 'Address restricted', 'X']
['97000917', 'Hog Island--62.24', 'Address restricted', 'X']
['97000913', 'Birch Point', 'Address restricted', 'X']
['97000918', 'Hog Island--62.25', 'Address restricted', 'X']
['74000775', 'Albany Mounds Site', 'Addrss Restricted', 'X']
['78003573', 'Barlous Lake Archeological District', 'Addresss Restricted', 'X']
['68000057', 'Desolation Canyon', 'Address Unknown', ""]
['82004191', 'Skeen, William D., House', 'Address unknown at this time', ""]
['71000857', 'Stagecoach Inn', 'Address unknown at this time', ""]
['66000892', 'Ste. Genevieve Historic District', 'Address unknown at this time', ""]
['66000424', 'Utz Site', 'Restricted Address', 'X']
['70000329', 'Harley Park Archeological Site', 'Address Restriced', 'X']
['73001047', 'Hearnes Site', 'Address Retricted', 'X']
['85003268', 'Tinian Landing Beaches, Ushi Point Field, Tinian Island', 'Address unknown at this time', ""]
['97000931', 'House of Taga Boudary Increase and Additional Documentation', 'Address restricted', 'X']
['80002228', 'Prairie Place', 'Address unknown at this time', ""]
['80002229', 'Forestdale Plantation', 'Address unknown at this time', ""]
['80002227', "Overseer's House and Outbuildings of Lang Plantation", 'Address unknown at this time', ""]
['73000360', 'Indian Mound Park', 'Restricted Address', 'X']
['76002300', 'Old Natchez Trace', 'Address Unknown', ""]
['83003813', 'Newkirk State (Site 3lCH366)', 'Addresss Restricted', 'X']
['80002907', 'Fort Dilts', 'Address Unknown', ""]
['66000598', 'Theodore Roosevelt National Memorial Park', 'Address Unknown', ""]
['85000790', 'Scrabbletown Historic and Archeological District', 'Address Restricgted', 'X']
['95001269', 'Old Friends Archeological Site', 'Restricted Address', 'X']
['73000392', "Fort Smith's Belle Grove Historic District", 'Address unknown at this time', ""]
['72000201', 'Frog Level', 'Address unknown at this time', ""]
['70000122', 'Powhatan Courthouse', 'Address unknown at this time', ""]
['66000202', 'Fort Smith National Historic Site', 'Address unknown at this time', ""]
['77001594', 'Adkins, Homer, House', 'No address given', ""]
['89001971', 'Scott County Courthouse', 'Address Unavailable', ""]
['98000704', 'Sandy Hook Archeological Site', 'Gateway National Recreation Area, Address Restricted', 'X']
['73002268', 'MacIntosh-Driver House', 'Address unknown at this time', ""]
['85002731', 'Kodiak Naval Operating Base and Forts Greely and Abercrombie', 'Address unknown', ""]
['85002730', 'Ladd Field', 'Address Unknown', ""]
['78000535', 'Cape Nome Mining District Discovery Sites', 'Address unknown', ""]
['73001155', 'San Jose de la Laguna Mission and Convento', 'Address unknown at this time', ""]
['74001194', 'Fort Sumner Ruins', 'Addess Restricted', 'X']
['70000115', 'Old Tubac Schoolhouse', 'Address unknown at this time', ""]
['94000398', 'Lower Zuni River Archeological District', 'Restricted Address', 'X']
['70000184', 'Pensacola Historic District', 'Address Unknown', ""]
['69000164', 'Santee Indian Mound and Fort Watson', 'Addres Restricted', 'X']
['66000711', 'Fort Thompson Mounds', 'Adress Restricted', 'X']
['87002081', 'Viola Rockshelter (47 Ve 640)', 'Addres Restricted', 'X']
['78001719', 'Las Vegas Springs', 'Address Restricted     .', 'X']
['80002583', 'Albany Glassworks Site', 'Address Restricted.', 'X']
['75002164', 'Chatahoochee County Courthouse', 'Address unnkown at this time', ""]
['97001648', 'Bullard--Everett Farm Historic District', 'Address Restrict', 'X']
['80002942', 'Round Barn', 'Address Information Restricted.', ""]
['80003212', 'Round Barn', 'Address Information Restricted.', ""]
['80003206', 'Round Barn', 'Address Information Restricted.', ""]
['71000649', 'Glenford Fort', 'Address Restrocted', 'X']
['72000247', 'Coachella Valley Fish Traps', 'Restricted Address', 'X']
['77001613', 'Golden Crown Mine', 'Address Unknown', ""]
['75000452', 'Blythe Intaglios', 'Addres Restricted', 'X']
['93001017', 'Cedar Avenue Complex', '44843 (44855), 44845 and 44851 Cedar Ave., 606 Lancaster Blvd., and Old Jail (no address)', ""]
['66000627', 'Cherokee National Capitol', 'Restricted Address', ""]
['98001579', 'Landerneau Mound', 'Address Ristricted', 'X']
['00000263', 'Fort St. Pierre Site', 'Address Resricted', ""]
['01000970', 'Livermore Hotel and General Store', 'Address Resricted', 'X']
['02000134', 'Lauriston', 'Addriess Restricted', 'X']
['02000685', 'Sunset Point', 'Address Retricted', 'X']
['03000919', 'Red River Gorge District', 'Address District', 'X']
['04001005', 'Government Boarding School at Lac du Flambeau', 'Address restrict', 'X']
['05000460', 'Amalik Bay Archeological District', 'Katmai National Park and Preserve--Address Restricted', 'X']
['06000051', 'Redoubt #2', 'Address Restrict', 'X']
['07000371', 'T Cross Ranch Rural Historic District', 'Address Resticted', 'X']

There may be yet other variants that misspell both words, but I didn't bother to look further: I'm simply going to take the "restrict" flag as authoritative. However, I find "address unknown" rather puzzling; are the NRHP actually saying they don't know where these places are? Or is this a mistake, and they should be flagged as restricted?

There are some other curious inconsistencies: a number of of the records listed above (for example, 80002942 and 00000263) are described as having restricted addresses in their address field, but are not flagged as restricted.

There are also a number of other records which are flagged as restricted which are not listed above, and use a string containing neither "address" nor "restricted" for their address fields. Some of these contain approximate addresses, so I won't list them here.

I hope this helps -- The Anome (talk) 13:51, 20 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it helps very much. I've corresponded with the NPS and shared the above report. Thanks! doncram (talk) 01:42, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Some of those in the list above I'm sure are not restricted, just incomplete. For example:

Powhatan Courthouse - Address unknown at this time
Scott County Courthouse - Address Unavailable

I'm willing to bet the addresses of courthouses could be found without too much trouble. Jonathunder (talk) 16:48, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Other

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In correspondence, nr_reference notes that "the Cedar Hill Cemetery [in CT] should have given the associated property as: Northam Memorial Chapel and Gallup Memorial Gateway.... We accidentally put the other name as the "see also" property instead of the historic name." Could watch to see if Northam shows up as See also from the Cedar Hill Cemetery in next version, rather than Cedar Hill Chapel something. doncram (talk) 02:59, 15 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Columbiana County

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The Burchfield Homestead is located on East Fourth (4th) Street. There is no street named "Forth" in Salem, Ohio, and the original submission to the NR listed the address correctly. OHPO and NR show the address as "Forth," but this is clearly a typo.

See also

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  1. ^ "Slob Historic District". National Park Service.
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